Pendle council boss pledges full debate on bypass plans

Burnley and Pendle Citizen: Coun David Whipp Coun David Whipp

A FULL debate will be held when firm plans are unveiled for the favoured route for the Colne and Foulridge bypass, Pendle’s council leader has insisted.

Opposition councillors expressed disquiet after the executive indicated it would support the ‘brown route’ for the bypass, running off the M65 to the south of Barrowford reservoir and generally along the line of the former Colne to Skipton railway tracks.

Coun David Whipp said the authority was making a ‘very bold policy statement’, before a borough-wide debate had taken place.

Council leader Joe Cooney said the council would have a ‘much fuller debate’ when the county council decided which route was being promoted for the relief road.

Town councillors in Earby have complained about the prospect of more traffic locally, at the West Craven end of the bypass.

But town councillors in Barnoldswick have indicated their support for the road, believing it will help to retain thousands of jobs locally.

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5:24pm Mon 30 Dec 13

It's a spade! says...

Shouldn't there be a debate before any proposals are decided on. ie alternatives such as widening North Valley Road, Skipton to Colne Railway and intelligent traffic signals.

Ah sorry! I thought we lived in a democracy but apparently a pointless debate will be held after the route of a bypass has already been decided. this has nothing to do with "safeguarding" jobs its has everything to do with certain people making money at the expense of taxpayers and destroying beautiful countryside to boot.

Corruption is alive and well in the UK.
Shouldn't there be a debate before any proposals are decided on. ie alternatives such as widening North Valley Road, Skipton to Colne Railway and intelligent traffic signals. Ah sorry! I thought we lived in a democracy but apparently a pointless debate will be held after the route of a bypass has already been decided. this has nothing to do with "safeguarding" jobs its has everything to do with certain people making money at the expense of taxpayers and destroying beautiful countryside to boot. Corruption is alive and well in the UK. It's a spade!

10:39am Tue 31 Dec 13

Izanears says...

I for one would wish that they make their minds up as to whether they want a bypass or a re-opened railway line. Surely there isn't enough money or space for both.
I for one would wish that they make their minds up as to whether they want a bypass or a re-opened railway line. Surely there isn't enough money or space for both. Izanears

10:38pm Thu 2 Jan 14

sim1846 says...

It is without doubt that both Rolls Royce, and Silent Night Group are putting the pressure on central Government to put up the cash for this Bypass, as well as others.
It makes no sense whatsoever in building this New road, both Rolls Royce and the other Companies should be made to transport their goods by rail, and I can't see why rail isn't being pushed forward more, given the fact that Peel Holdings which owns the Port of Liverpool is in need of a alternative rail root for transporting goods from there, because of the major expansion planned to handle 70% of UK freight, from its current 30%, for many of you that wasn't aware, the Colne to Skipton line was built as a main line between the port of Liverpool and Hull, and has the lowest gradient over the Pennines, was not closed by DR Beeching, due to the fact it had hight patronage of over 550,000 people using it per year between 1968, and 1970 which is when Barbra Castle closed it, and only due to the fact that it wasn't wielded rail, and BE at the time had already signed contracts to pull it all up, other than that this railway would be still open today.

Now ccommon sense would tell you that a very large number of the population of East Lancashire don't have access to a car about 37% and that will increase over the comming years, fact you put the railway back you get people out of their cars, fact people need access to the Leeds City Region, it has the highest GDP outside of London of about 4% so more, and better paid jobs than East Lancashire.
Why does anyone want to rip up the beautiful countryside between Colne and Skipton for any new road, which is going to cost far more than the railway, New road for 7.5 miles is around 102million, you get 11.5 miles of Double track railway at base cost for 82million and that includes 're doubling of the railway between Colne and Burnley, with upgrade of existing stations and two brand new once.

The railway will also solve the traffic issues On Vivary Way, with the road dug out and taken under the railway, possibly knocking out 3 sets of traffic lights.
Fact the road will take away some of the traffic from Albert road in Clone, which will have a major impact on all the New Business along there, watch out for them closing down, and Colne being a dead town center, I know of a large number of Business owners that are very worried about all this, and the impact IT will have on Colne and surrounding areas.
We Need this Railway not the Bloody road, which is going to cost us very dearly.
It is without doubt that both Rolls Royce, and Silent Night Group are putting the pressure on central Government to put up the cash for this Bypass, as well as others. It makes no sense whatsoever in building this New road, both Rolls Royce and the other Companies should be made to transport their goods by rail, and I can't see why rail isn't being pushed forward more, given the fact that Peel Holdings which owns the Port of Liverpool is in need of a alternative rail root for transporting goods from there, because of the major expansion planned to handle 70% of UK freight, from its current 30%, for many of you that wasn't aware, the Colne to Skipton line was built as a main line between the port of Liverpool and Hull, and has the lowest gradient over the Pennines, was not closed by DR Beeching, due to the fact it had hight patronage of over 550,000 people using it per year between 1968, and 1970 which is when Barbra Castle closed it, and only due to the fact that it wasn't wielded rail, and BE at the time had already signed contracts to pull it all up, other than that this railway would be still open today. Now ccommon sense would tell you that a very large number of the population of East Lancashire don't have access to a car about 37% and that will increase over the comming years, fact you put the railway back you get people out of their cars, fact people need access to the Leeds City Region, it has the highest GDP outside of London of about 4% so more, and better paid jobs than East Lancashire. Why does anyone want to rip up the beautiful countryside between Colne and Skipton for any new road, which is going to cost far more than the railway, New road for 7.5 miles is around 102million, you get 11.5 miles of Double track railway at base cost for 82million and that includes 're doubling of the railway between Colne and Burnley, with upgrade of existing stations and two brand new once. The railway will also solve the traffic issues On Vivary Way, with the road dug out and taken under the railway, possibly knocking out 3 sets of traffic lights. Fact the road will take away some of the traffic from Albert road in Clone, which will have a major impact on all the New Business along there, watch out for them closing down, and Colne being a dead town center, I know of a large number of Business owners that are very worried about all this, and the impact IT will have on Colne and surrounding areas. We Need this Railway not the Bloody road, which is going to cost us very dearly. sim1846

11:43pm Thu 2 Jan 14

ProjectRail2000 says...

sim1846 wrote:
It is without doubt that both Rolls Royce, and Silent Night Group are putting the pressure on central Government to put up the cash for this Bypass, as well as others.
It makes no sense whatsoever in building this New road, both Rolls Royce and the other Companies should be made to transport their goods by rail, and I can't see why rail isn't being pushed forward more, given the fact that Peel Holdings which owns the Port of Liverpool is in need of a alternative rail root for transporting goods from there, because of the major expansion planned to handle 70% of UK freight, from its current 30%, for many of you that wasn't aware, the Colne to Skipton line was built as a main line between the port of Liverpool and Hull, and has the lowest gradient over the Pennines, was not closed by DR Beeching, due to the fact it had hight patronage of over 550,000 people using it per year between 1968, and 1970 which is when Barbra Castle closed it, and only due to the fact that it wasn't wielded rail, and BE at the time had already signed contracts to pull it all up, other than that this railway would be still open today.

Now ccommon sense would tell you that a very large number of the population of East Lancashire don't have access to a car about 37% and that will increase over the comming years, fact you put the railway back you get people out of their cars, fact people need access to the Leeds City Region, it has the highest GDP outside of London of about 4% so more, and better paid jobs than East Lancashire.
Why does anyone want to rip up the beautiful countryside between Colne and Skipton for any new road, which is going to cost far more than the railway, New road for 7.5 miles is around 102million, you get 11.5 miles of Double track railway at base cost for 82million and that includes 're doubling of the railway between Colne and Burnley, with upgrade of existing stations and two brand new once.

The railway will also solve the traffic issues On Vivary Way, with the road dug out and taken under the railway, possibly knocking out 3 sets of traffic lights.
Fact the road will take away some of the traffic from Albert road in Clone, which will have a major impact on all the New Business along there, watch out for them closing down, and Colne being a dead town center, I know of a large number of Business owners that are very worried about all this, and the impact IT will have on Colne and surrounding areas.
We Need this Railway not the Bloody road, which is going to cost us very dearly.
I fully agree with what your saying here, and I am speaking from my own experience, both as a Railway Civil Engineer, and Consultan on transport planning here in Australia, it does seem as though these large companies like Rolls Royce and Silent Night can get away with anything, why can't they be made to transport their goods by rail, it's far cheaper, and more secure than road.
I have been monitoring this rail project, and SELRAP, for some time now, and it's beggars belief that when you see so much support for the rail project, than the New road, I for one can't understand why 198 MP's and the over 500 council's can't pull together, to lobby the Government to put a stop to this mad cap road project, that quite clearly is going to cost you all so dearly in the mediam to long term, your rail project has the support, and economically it far outways the road project, and that's from my own study of both projects.

SELRAP keep the fight up on your rail project your doing an amazing job over there, in the end you will win this battle.
[quote][p][bold]sim1846[/bold] wrote: It is without doubt that both Rolls Royce, and Silent Night Group are putting the pressure on central Government to put up the cash for this Bypass, as well as others. It makes no sense whatsoever in building this New road, both Rolls Royce and the other Companies should be made to transport their goods by rail, and I can't see why rail isn't being pushed forward more, given the fact that Peel Holdings which owns the Port of Liverpool is in need of a alternative rail root for transporting goods from there, because of the major expansion planned to handle 70% of UK freight, from its current 30%, for many of you that wasn't aware, the Colne to Skipton line was built as a main line between the port of Liverpool and Hull, and has the lowest gradient over the Pennines, was not closed by DR Beeching, due to the fact it had hight patronage of over 550,000 people using it per year between 1968, and 1970 which is when Barbra Castle closed it, and only due to the fact that it wasn't wielded rail, and BE at the time had already signed contracts to pull it all up, other than that this railway would be still open today. Now ccommon sense would tell you that a very large number of the population of East Lancashire don't have access to a car about 37% and that will increase over the comming years, fact you put the railway back you get people out of their cars, fact people need access to the Leeds City Region, it has the highest GDP outside of London of about 4% so more, and better paid jobs than East Lancashire. Why does anyone want to rip up the beautiful countryside between Colne and Skipton for any new road, which is going to cost far more than the railway, New road for 7.5 miles is around 102million, you get 11.5 miles of Double track railway at base cost for 82million and that includes 're doubling of the railway between Colne and Burnley, with upgrade of existing stations and two brand new once. The railway will also solve the traffic issues On Vivary Way, with the road dug out and taken under the railway, possibly knocking out 3 sets of traffic lights. Fact the road will take away some of the traffic from Albert road in Clone, which will have a major impact on all the New Business along there, watch out for them closing down, and Colne being a dead town center, I know of a large number of Business owners that are very worried about all this, and the impact IT will have on Colne and surrounding areas. We Need this Railway not the Bloody road, which is going to cost us very dearly.[/p][/quote]I fully agree with what your saying here, and I am speaking from my own experience, both as a Railway Civil Engineer, and Consultan on transport planning here in Australia, it does seem as though these large companies like Rolls Royce and Silent Night can get away with anything, why can't they be made to transport their goods by rail, it's far cheaper, and more secure than road. I have been monitoring this rail project, and SELRAP, for some time now, and it's beggars belief that when you see so much support for the rail project, than the New road, I for one can't understand why 198 MP's and the over 500 council's can't pull together, to lobby the Government to put a stop to this mad cap road project, that quite clearly is going to cost you all so dearly in the mediam to long term, your rail project has the support, and economically it far outways the road project, and that's from my own study of both projects. SELRAP keep the fight up on your rail project your doing an amazing job over there, in the end you will win this battle. ProjectRail2000

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