East Lancs Gaza protesters put pressure on David Cameron

An elderly Palestinian woman walks on the rubble of her destroyed house hit by an Israeli strike in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip

Voicing their concerns at Daneshouse, Burnley, are Councillors Shar (left) and Zahir Ahmed

First published in News Burnley and Pendle Citizen: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

COUNCILLORS concerned about rising anger in East Lancashire over the conflict in Gaza have written to the Government asking for more intervention.

A number of protests and vigils have already been held in the area by Muslims and Christians because of the ongoing dispute between which has seen hundreds killed.

A further march is planned for Saturday between Brierfield and Nelson with hundreds expected to take part.

Yesterday Israel and Palestinian groups began a 72-hour truce as Foreign Office minister Baroness Warsi, who became the first female Muslim cabinet minister in 2010, resigned from the government saying its policy on the crisis was ‘morally indefensible’.

Abdul Hamid Qureshi, chairman of Lancashire Council of Mosques, said: “People are angry, not only Muslims, but anyone who’s seen images on TV. It’s not acceptable what’s happening in Gaza.

“Most of the time that anger is expressed peacefully, but people are getting angry about it.”

Councillor Iftakhar Hussain, who represents Blackburn’s Bastwell Ward and is the lead member for Culture and Leisure, said: “This is not a Muslim issue or Jewish issue but a humanitarian issue.

“My constituents are very angry as they see double standards and a biased approach by the powerful nations of the world. The leaders need to wake up and speak up for the human rights and the feelings of the angry community.”

Hyndburn and Haslingden MP Graham Jones said: “I have had a record number of constituents write to me on this particular issue.

“People are seeing the news and feeling very upset about the situation because innocent lives are being lost, particularly children’s.

“Foreign policy is always a delicate issue. You have two sides who are bitter towards each other and the process has got to be about reconciliation.”

A second protest against attacks on Gaza organised by the Pendle Palestine Twinning Group saw hundreds gather in Nelson town centre at the weekendand a further protest is planned for Saturday starting at 2.30pm outside Brierfield town hall.

Blackburn councillor Salim Mulla, who represents Queens Park, said he was seeking a meeting with Prime Minister David Cameron.

He said: “The majority of the community in Blackburn are very, very angry.

“Every single mosque is grieving and praying for those affected.”

Young Muslim Afrasiab Anwar, from Burnley’s Markazi Jamia Ghousia Mosque, said: “The imams here are urging people to be restrained and positive in their support of Palestine but with the inaction from all political parties many people feel that it is difficult to have a voice.”

Zahir Ahmed, at Abu-Bakr Masjid in Stoneyholme, added: “We teach our young people the opposite of radicalisation but when they see the authorities which supposedly represent them standing by while schools are bombed and children are killed they are angered.”

“My response would be the same whether whoever was being bombarded, whatever religion or race they are.”

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9:21am Wed 6 Aug 14

shytalk says...

happened in Gaza is an awful thing to have happened. How about protesting against the reason for it happening. IE Hamas firing rockets into Israel? Are the Israelis just supposed to stand by and do nothing when their civilian population is under attack?
happened in Gaza is an awful thing to have happened. How about protesting against the reason for it happening. IE Hamas firing rockets into Israel? Are the Israelis just supposed to stand by and do nothing when their civilian population is under attack? shytalk
  • Score: 6

9:38am Wed 6 Aug 14

yyy's1 says...

Bravo for shytalk, I felt I was on my own with such thoughts. It seems everyone reacted in horror to the action of the Israelis but never said a word against the cowardly actions of Hamas firing rockets they would have known would kill innocent women and children.
Why did Baroness Warsi not speak up in parliament against Hamas, it is the action of a hypocrite.
Bravo for shytalk, I felt I was on my own with such thoughts. It seems everyone reacted in horror to the action of the Israelis but never said a word against the cowardly actions of Hamas firing rockets they would have known would kill innocent women and children. Why did Baroness Warsi not speak up in parliament against Hamas, it is the action of a hypocrite. yyy's1
  • Score: -3

9:54am Wed 6 Aug 14

Excluded again says...

Hamas actions in firing rockets from Gaza into Israel are indefensible. But Israel's response in killing hundreds of defenceless civilian men, women and children - often in UN designated shelters has been much worse than anything Hamas has done.

But a serious question for supporters of Israel. I understand why you refuse to talk to Hamas who fire rockets from Gaza and refuse to recognise Israel's right to exist.

But why does Israel refuse to talk peace with the Palestinian authority in the much larger West bank area? No rockets are fired on Israel from the west Bank. The Palestinian authority argues for a two state solution with a secure Israeli state and a secure Palestinian state side by side and is pursuing this goal by wholly peaceful means. But Israel has ended all peace negotiations with the Palestinian authority in the West Bank. Why?
Hamas actions in firing rockets from Gaza into Israel are indefensible. But Israel's response in killing hundreds of defenceless civilian men, women and children - often in UN designated shelters has been much worse than anything Hamas has done. But a serious question for supporters of Israel. I understand why you refuse to talk to Hamas who fire rockets from Gaza and refuse to recognise Israel's right to exist. But why does Israel refuse to talk peace with the Palestinian authority in the much larger West bank area? No rockets are fired on Israel from the west Bank. The Palestinian authority argues for a two state solution with a secure Israeli state and a secure Palestinian state side by side and is pursuing this goal by wholly peaceful means. But Israel has ended all peace negotiations with the Palestinian authority in the West Bank. Why? Excluded again
  • Score: 20

9:55am Wed 6 Aug 14

mrdd186 says...

I watched a video yesterday on facebook of hamas firing a rocket with about 8 kids next to it, being used as a shield.
I watched a video yesterday on facebook of hamas firing a rocket with about 8 kids next to it, being used as a shield. mrdd186
  • Score: 11

10:40am Wed 6 Aug 14

will12 says...

Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD"

The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!!

But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this.

And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3.

I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace.

If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy.

Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!!

But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot
est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!!

And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!!

And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ?

Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.
Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD" The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!! But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this. And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3. I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace. If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy. Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!! But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!! And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!! And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ? Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story. will12
  • Score: 9

10:58am Wed 6 Aug 14

The Seagull has landed says...

I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre.
Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter.

No "protest" marches then were there?
I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre. Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter. No "protest" marches then were there? The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 4

11:03am Wed 6 Aug 14

will12 says...

And while I am on here, we are not there, we do not know the real truth, and are only told of it by someone's opinion!!!

In the area of Brierfield and Nelson, it is easier to buy Drugs than a loaf Bread, everyone knows about it, even the Police, yet, NO ONE does anything about it !!!

But if you were to challenge there Drug Dealer's in Public, and we ALL know who they are, and here it is in a nutshell, you being Israel, and the Dealer's being Hamas and the surrounding Countries, the Police being the UN, you would get untold grief, probably beaten to a pulp, threatened with your life and told to move from the area, or made to because of fear for your life and your families !! And the UN as always sit on the fence and observe what is going on for months without doing anything and then when they do act, it is usually the wrong ones they target !!

What would you do if you were Israel and you had more that the means to protect yourself, knowing only to well that the UN will only be observing?
And while I am on here, we are not there, we do not know the real truth, and are only told of it by someone's opinion!!! In the area of Brierfield and Nelson, it is easier to buy Drugs than a loaf Bread, everyone knows about it, even the Police, yet, NO ONE does anything about it !!! But if you were to challenge there Drug Dealer's in Public, and we ALL know who they are, and here it is in a nutshell, you being Israel, and the Dealer's being Hamas and the surrounding Countries, the Police being the UN, you would get untold grief, probably beaten to a pulp, threatened with your life and told to move from the area, or made to because of fear for your life and your families !! And the UN as always sit on the fence and observe what is going on for months without doing anything and then when they do act, it is usually the wrong ones they target !! What would you do if you were Israel and you had more that the means to protect yourself, knowing only to well that the UN will only be observing? will12
  • Score: 6

11:04am Wed 6 Aug 14

glossopkid says...

will12 wrote:
Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD"

The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!!

But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this.

And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3.

I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace.

If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy.

Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!!

But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot

est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!!

And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!!

And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ?

Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.
There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed.
My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!!
[quote][p][bold]will12[/bold] wrote: Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD" The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!! But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this. And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3. I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace. If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy. Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!! But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!! And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!! And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ? Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.[/p][/quote]There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed. My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!! glossopkid
  • Score: 12

11:13am Wed 6 Aug 14

glossopkid says...

The Seagull has landed wrote:
I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre.
Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter.

No "protest" marches then were there?
So that makes it ok for Israel to kill all these innocents.
I'm surprised you bring a man of law to comment like this. Ohhhh I forgot the boys in blue think they are above the law anyway.
[quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre. Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter. No "protest" marches then were there?[/p][/quote]So that makes it ok for Israel to kill all these innocents. I'm surprised you bring a man of law to comment like this. Ohhhh I forgot the boys in blue think they are above the law anyway. glossopkid
  • Score: 11

11:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

will12 says...

The Seagull has landed wrote:
I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre.
Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter.

No "protest" marches then were there?
Thank you Seagull for reminding me, my memory is not the best, but when prompted, these scenes come flooding back with great sadness.

But it's the one's with "selective" memories, that is of the most worry.
[quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre. Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter. No "protest" marches then were there?[/p][/quote]Thank you Seagull for reminding me, my memory is not the best, but when prompted, these scenes come flooding back with great sadness. But it's the one's with "selective" memories, that is of the most worry. will12
  • Score: -3

11:29am Wed 6 Aug 14

The Seagull has landed says...

glossopkid wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre.
Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter.

No "protest" marches then were there?
So that makes it ok for Israel to kill all these innocents.
I'm surprised you bring a man of law to comment like this. Ohhhh I forgot the boys in blue think they are above the law anyway.
I see that you're still way offside with your factless based assumptions.


Now did I say it was okay for them to kill innocents? Absolutely not, it's horrific what's going on and when it's finished I hope that certain individuals responsible on BOTH sides are held accountable for what effectively are war crimes.
The point I was making was that "the community" aren't so quick to come out and protest when certain extremists are responsible for heinous crimes. As previously mentioned.
Why is that?
[quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre. Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter. No "protest" marches then were there?[/p][/quote]So that makes it ok for Israel to kill all these innocents. I'm surprised you bring a man of law to comment like this. Ohhhh I forgot the boys in blue think they are above the law anyway.[/p][/quote]I see that you're still way offside with your factless based assumptions. Now did I say it was okay for them to kill innocents? Absolutely not, it's horrific what's going on and when it's finished I hope that certain individuals responsible on BOTH sides are held accountable for what effectively are war crimes. The point I was making was that "the community" aren't so quick to come out and protest when certain extremists are responsible for heinous crimes. As previously mentioned. Why is that? The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 7

11:49am Wed 6 Aug 14

will12 says...

glossopkid wrote:
will12 wrote:
Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD"

The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!!

But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this.

And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3.

I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace.

If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy.

Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!!

But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot


est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!!

And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!!

And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ?

Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.
There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed.
My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!!
Like I say, selective memories.

World Leader's stay out of these situations probably because they have to sit on one side or the other, and once that happens then, either other Countries oppose them or join them, next World War 3 !!! and no doubt there are certain Countries that would love to start WW3 !!!

Agree with you, killing innocent men, women and children is disgusting, but it happens all around the World, the only difference is, the Media are there !!!!

Hamas are Terrorists, and have been Elected into Government by conning the Palestinian people to vote for them !!!

It's just like the Tories running the UK, I hate them with a passion, but I suffer along with everyone else, the only difference is, they use weapons to negotiate with their Neighbours !!!

But the question is - What are they killing each other about? Land?I don't honestly know

Israel have already fought 2 Wars and given Land back to Egypt and Palestine, and are prepared to talk peace, but like I said in an earlier post, One side wants the other one dead !!!

If Israel said today, We will fight no more, they would be wiped off the face of the Earth, and all Israeli's would be killed.

If Hamas said today, We will fight no more, there would be peace.

We can all comment one way or another but in reality, we are not in the zone, and I for one don't know anyone who lives in Palestine or Israel, but protesting in the UK is going to do a whole lot of good !!

Video's are all over the place, at a pro-palestinian rally in Wakefield on Saturday, an Englishman was told to shut his mouth by Police as it might cause an incident????? All he asked was "why were they not protesting about all the christian's that were being murdered across the World", and he was causing an incident????

Protest and Freedom of Speech is dead, unless it's for some cause that we as individual's cannot do a thing about. But seemingly shouting on a street in the UK about something 000's of miles away !!! and which the UK gives £Millions of Foreign Aid to, makes a difference !!!

Some believe in Good Will to All Mankind, for some reason, others want to start a conflict, just for the sake of it, the Fanatic's of this World etc.

Until ALL believe in Good Will to All Mankind, then we will face more of the same, and Man, is this Planet's own worst enemy !!!! Even Animal's and Plant's are subject to Man's brutality !!!!
[quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]will12[/bold] wrote: Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD" The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!! But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this. And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3. I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace. If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy. Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!! But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!! And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!! And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ? Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.[/p][/quote]There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed. My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!![/p][/quote]Like I say, selective memories. World Leader's stay out of these situations probably because they have to sit on one side or the other, and once that happens then, either other Countries oppose them or join them, next World War 3 !!! and no doubt there are certain Countries that would love to start WW3 !!! Agree with you, killing innocent men, women and children is disgusting, but it happens all around the World, the only difference is, the Media are there !!!! Hamas are Terrorists, and have been Elected into Government by conning the Palestinian people to vote for them !!! It's just like the Tories running the UK, I hate them with a passion, but I suffer along with everyone else, the only difference is, they use weapons to negotiate with their Neighbours !!! But the question is - What are they killing each other about? Land?I don't honestly know Israel have already fought 2 Wars and given Land back to Egypt and Palestine, and are prepared to talk peace, but like I said in an earlier post, One side wants the other one dead !!! If Israel said today, We will fight no more, they would be wiped off the face of the Earth, and all Israeli's would be killed. If Hamas said today, We will fight no more, there would be peace. We can all comment one way or another but in reality, we are not in the zone, and I for one don't know anyone who lives in Palestine or Israel, but protesting in the UK is going to do a whole lot of good !! Video's are all over the place, at a pro-palestinian rally in Wakefield on Saturday, an Englishman was told to shut his mouth by Police as it might cause an incident????? All he asked was "why were they not protesting about all the christian's that were being murdered across the World", and he was causing an incident???? Protest and Freedom of Speech is dead, unless it's for some cause that we as individual's cannot do a thing about. But seemingly shouting on a street in the UK about something 000's of miles away !!! and which the UK gives £Millions of Foreign Aid to, makes a difference !!! Some believe in Good Will to All Mankind, for some reason, others want to start a conflict, just for the sake of it, the Fanatic's of this World etc. Until ALL believe in Good Will to All Mankind, then we will face more of the same, and Man, is this Planet's own worst enemy !!!! Even Animal's and Plant's are subject to Man's brutality !!!! will12
  • Score: -2

12:13pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Excluded again says...

Will12 is the one with a selective memory.

Hamas only control the Gaza strip. The much larger Palestinian area, the West Bank, is controlled by the Fatah party. Fatah do not allow rockets to be fired into Israel. Fatah have recognised Israel's right to exist - indeed they argue for a two state solution, a secure Israel and a secure Palestine. And they pursue this policy peacefully, mainly through the United Nations.

So Israel must be falling over thesemves to talk to Fatah? Errr, no. Israel has obstructed peace talks with Fatah all the way and completely withdrew from peace talks earlier this year.

Sadly, if Hamas stopped firing rockets into Israel tomorrow (which they absolutely should) the track record of the Israeli government indicates that this would make no difference to moving towards peace.
Will12 is the one with a selective memory. Hamas only control the Gaza strip. The much larger Palestinian area, the West Bank, is controlled by the Fatah party. Fatah do not allow rockets to be fired into Israel. Fatah have recognised Israel's right to exist - indeed they argue for a two state solution, a secure Israel and a secure Palestine. And they pursue this policy peacefully, mainly through the United Nations. So Israel must be falling over thesemves to talk to Fatah? Errr, no. Israel has obstructed peace talks with Fatah all the way and completely withdrew from peace talks earlier this year. Sadly, if Hamas stopped firing rockets into Israel tomorrow (which they absolutely should) the track record of the Israeli government indicates that this would make no difference to moving towards peace. Excluded again
  • Score: 2

12:26pm Wed 6 Aug 14

glossopkid says...

The Seagull has landed wrote:
glossopkid wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre.
Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter.

No "protest" marches then were there?
So that makes it ok for Israel to kill all these innocents.
I'm surprised you bring a man of law to comment like this. Ohhhh I forgot the boys in blue think they are above the law anyway.
I see that you're still way offside with your factless based assumptions.


Now did I say it was okay for them to kill innocents? Absolutely not, it's horrific what's going on and when it's finished I hope that certain individuals responsible on BOTH sides are held accountable for what effectively are war crimes.
The point I was making was that "the community" aren't so quick to come out and protest when certain extremists are responsible for heinous crimes. As previously mentioned.
Why is that?
So are you saying no-1 from asian entire community condemned these acts of the trade centre and the killing of Lee Rigby. These are your mere assumptions, as many members of the "community " not only condemned these evil acts but went as far as saying that these are not Moslems .
Suppose you don't have much to do with the "community" in your local area. Even the local mosques condemned this evil act . Now my question is how many of our churches would do the same.
I am in utter disgust when I see people from my community defending acts of terrorism . I had thought we as a civilised country hated terrorism but it seems we are selective as to who is the oppressor. And who is being oppressed!!'
[quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: I don't recall "the community" in East Lancashire being as equally angry and outraged when murderers flew a couple planes into the world trade centre. Or when several people were murdered in London in 2005. Or when Lee Rigby was hacked to death for that matter. No "protest" marches then were there?[/p][/quote]So that makes it ok for Israel to kill all these innocents. I'm surprised you bring a man of law to comment like this. Ohhhh I forgot the boys in blue think they are above the law anyway.[/p][/quote]I see that you're still way offside with your factless based assumptions. Now did I say it was okay for them to kill innocents? Absolutely not, it's horrific what's going on and when it's finished I hope that certain individuals responsible on BOTH sides are held accountable for what effectively are war crimes. The point I was making was that "the community" aren't so quick to come out and protest when certain extremists are responsible for heinous crimes. As previously mentioned. Why is that?[/p][/quote]So are you saying no-1 from asian entire community condemned these acts of the trade centre and the killing of Lee Rigby. These are your mere assumptions, as many members of the "community " not only condemned these evil acts but went as far as saying that these are not Moslems . Suppose you don't have much to do with the "community" in your local area. Even the local mosques condemned this evil act . Now my question is how many of our churches would do the same. I am in utter disgust when I see people from my community defending acts of terrorism . I had thought we as a civilised country hated terrorism but it seems we are selective as to who is the oppressor. And who is being oppressed!!' glossopkid
  • Score: 0

1:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Pegasus216 says...

It is very interesting to read these comments, there is a common thread on worldwide terrorism and that is Islam, they make it up as they go along with each group or sect trying to outdo each other in control, subjugation, violence, domination and murder...and for some reasons the Moslem community just turn a blind eye to it all...we are at war and the sooner all people who just want to to live in peace realise it, the better...
G
It is very interesting to read these comments, there is a common thread on worldwide terrorism and that is Islam, they make it up as they go along with each group or sect trying to outdo each other in control, subjugation, violence, domination and murder...and for some reasons the Moslem community just turn a blind eye to it all...we are at war and the sooner all people who just want to to live in peace realise it, the better... G Pegasus216
  • Score: 5

2:12pm Wed 6 Aug 14

The Seagull has landed says...

Religion world wide should be abolished, it's the cause of the majority of conflict in the world today. We're all only here once.
Religion world wide should be abolished, it's the cause of the majority of conflict in the world today. We're all only here once. The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 7

2:14pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ikap22 says...

The idiot's who attacked lee Rigby don't represent Muslims. It was disgusting and sicking attack by sick individuals. Just as the coward who murdered an innocent over sea's student don't represent the indigenous Christian's. Some people here think its Ok to kill innocent children, women etc. Human live is precious no matter what you believe in.
The idiot's who attacked lee Rigby don't represent Muslims. It was disgusting and sicking attack by sick individuals. Just as the coward who murdered an innocent over sea's student don't represent the indigenous Christian's. Some people here think its Ok to kill innocent children, women etc. Human live is precious no matter what you believe in. ikap22
  • Score: 6

2:20pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ikap22 says...

glossopkid wrote:
will12 wrote:
Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD"

The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!!

But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this.

And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3.

I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace.

If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy.

Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!!

But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot


est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!!

And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!!

And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ?

Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.
There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed.
My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!!
Hamas is equivalent to a child throwing a stone at a tank. Israel says jump and the Western leaders say how high master. That sums up everything.
[quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]will12[/bold] wrote: Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD" The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!! But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this. And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3. I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace. If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy. Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!! But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!! And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!! And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ? Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.[/p][/quote]There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed. My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!![/p][/quote]Hamas is equivalent to a child throwing a stone at a tank. Israel says jump and the Western leaders say how high master. That sums up everything. ikap22
  • Score: 6

2:38pm Wed 6 Aug 14

mrdd186 says...

ikap22 wrote:
glossopkid wrote:
will12 wrote:
Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD"

The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!!

But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this.

And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3.

I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace.

If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy.

Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!!

But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot



est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!!

And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!!

And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ?

Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.
There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed.
My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!!
Hamas is equivalent to a child throwing a stone at a tank. Israel says jump and the Western leaders say how high master. That sums up everything.
kids throwing stone bit of a under statement, them stones kill then bigger stones get thrown back, because you have smaller stones does not make you right, there is wrong on both sides only way for peace is to sit down and talk.
[quote][p][bold]ikap22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]will12[/bold] wrote: Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD" The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!! But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this. And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3. I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace. If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy. Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!! But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!! And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!! And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ? Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.[/p][/quote]There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed. My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!![/p][/quote]Hamas is equivalent to a child throwing a stone at a tank. Israel says jump and the Western leaders say how high master. That sums up everything.[/p][/quote]kids throwing stone bit of a under statement, them stones kill then bigger stones get thrown back, because you have smaller stones does not make you right, there is wrong on both sides only way for peace is to sit down and talk. mrdd186
  • Score: 3

4:26pm Wed 6 Aug 14

the usher says...

So the killing of "innocents" in the Gaza area is an "atrocity". Then let the people scream "blue murder". What about all those thousands of innocent women and children that were killed in the blitz and later by the V1 and V2 rockets during the second world war. Personally I cannot see the difference. I personally can't understand why we are "sticking our noses in" someone elses dispute. We seem to have been doing that for years. This seems typical of politicans!!!
So the killing of "innocents" in the Gaza area is an "atrocity". Then let the people scream "blue murder". What about all those thousands of innocent women and children that were killed in the blitz and later by the V1 and V2 rockets during the second world war. Personally I cannot see the difference. I personally can't understand why we are "sticking our noses in" someone elses dispute. We seem to have been doing that for years. This seems typical of politicans!!! the usher
  • Score: 2

7:05pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Nelsonman says...

I'm not on any side but I like to pout out that Israel went and attacked Hamas positions after the killings of three teenagers. Which Hamas retaliated by rockets. Which the world forgets us Israel attacked first and then Hamas so who started it? Who would you blame Hamas or Israel? Hamas need to defend itself.
I'm not on any side but I like to pout out that Israel went and attacked Hamas positions after the killings of three teenagers. Which Hamas retaliated by rockets. Which the world forgets us Israel attacked first and then Hamas so who started it? Who would you blame Hamas or Israel? Hamas need to defend itself. Nelsonman
  • Score: 2

8:55pm Wed 6 Aug 14

moh says...

will12 wrote:
glossopkid wrote:
will12 wrote:
Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD"

The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!!

But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this.

And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3.

I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace.

If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy.

Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!!

But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot



est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!!

And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!!

And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ?

Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.
There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed.
My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!!
Like I say, selective memories.

World Leader's stay out of these situations probably because they have to sit on one side or the other, and once that happens then, either other Countries oppose them or join them, next World War 3 !!! and no doubt there are certain Countries that would love to start WW3 !!!

Agree with you, killing innocent men, women and children is disgusting, but it happens all around the World, the only difference is, the Media are there !!!!

Hamas are Terrorists, and have been Elected into Government by conning the Palestinian people to vote for them !!!

It's just like the Tories running the UK, I hate them with a passion, but I suffer along with everyone else, the only difference is, they use weapons to negotiate with their Neighbours !!!

But the question is - What are they killing each other about? Land?I don't honestly know

Israel have already fought 2 Wars and given Land back to Egypt and Palestine, and are prepared to talk peace, but like I said in an earlier post, One side wants the other one dead !!!

If Israel said today, We will fight no more, they would be wiped off the face of the Earth, and all Israeli's would be killed.

If Hamas said today, We will fight no more, there would be peace.

We can all comment one way or another but in reality, we are not in the zone, and I for one don't know anyone who lives in Palestine or Israel, but protesting in the UK is going to do a whole lot of good !!

Video's are all over the place, at a pro-palestinian rally in Wakefield on Saturday, an Englishman was told to shut his mouth by Police as it might cause an incident????? All he asked was "why were they not protesting about all the christian's that were being murdered across the World", and he was causing an incident????

Protest and Freedom of Speech is dead, unless it's for some cause that we as individual's cannot do a thing about. But seemingly shouting on a street in the UK about something 000's of miles away !!! and which the UK gives £Millions of Foreign Aid to, makes a difference !!!

Some believe in Good Will to All Mankind, for some reason, others want to start a conflict, just for the sake of it, the Fanatic's of this World etc.

Until ALL believe in Good Will to All Mankind, then we will face more of the same, and Man, is this Planet's own worst enemy !!!! Even Animal's and Plant's are subject to Man's brutality !!!!
David Ben Gurion (former Israeli Prime Minister) is revered by Israelis as "Father of the Nation". He said in his time that " We must use terror, assasination, intimidation, land confiscation and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population". The master plan seems to be working.
[quote][p][bold]will12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]will12[/bold] wrote: Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD" The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!! But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this. And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3. I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace. If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy. Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!! But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!! And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!! And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ? Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.[/p][/quote]There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed. My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!![/p][/quote]Like I say, selective memories. World Leader's stay out of these situations probably because they have to sit on one side or the other, and once that happens then, either other Countries oppose them or join them, next World War 3 !!! and no doubt there are certain Countries that would love to start WW3 !!! Agree with you, killing innocent men, women and children is disgusting, but it happens all around the World, the only difference is, the Media are there !!!! Hamas are Terrorists, and have been Elected into Government by conning the Palestinian people to vote for them !!! It's just like the Tories running the UK, I hate them with a passion, but I suffer along with everyone else, the only difference is, they use weapons to negotiate with their Neighbours !!! But the question is - What are they killing each other about? Land?I don't honestly know Israel have already fought 2 Wars and given Land back to Egypt and Palestine, and are prepared to talk peace, but like I said in an earlier post, One side wants the other one dead !!! If Israel said today, We will fight no more, they would be wiped off the face of the Earth, and all Israeli's would be killed. If Hamas said today, We will fight no more, there would be peace. We can all comment one way or another but in reality, we are not in the zone, and I for one don't know anyone who lives in Palestine or Israel, but protesting in the UK is going to do a whole lot of good !! Video's are all over the place, at a pro-palestinian rally in Wakefield on Saturday, an Englishman was told to shut his mouth by Police as it might cause an incident????? All he asked was "why were they not protesting about all the christian's that were being murdered across the World", and he was causing an incident???? Protest and Freedom of Speech is dead, unless it's for some cause that we as individual's cannot do a thing about. But seemingly shouting on a street in the UK about something 000's of miles away !!! and which the UK gives £Millions of Foreign Aid to, makes a difference !!! Some believe in Good Will to All Mankind, for some reason, others want to start a conflict, just for the sake of it, the Fanatic's of this World etc. Until ALL believe in Good Will to All Mankind, then we will face more of the same, and Man, is this Planet's own worst enemy !!!! Even Animal's and Plant's are subject to Man's brutality !!!![/p][/quote]David Ben Gurion (former Israeli Prime Minister) is revered by Israelis as "Father of the Nation". He said in his time that " We must use terror, assasination, intimidation, land confiscation and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population". The master plan seems to be working. moh
  • Score: 3

9:29pm Wed 6 Aug 14

moh says...

glossopkid wrote:
will12 wrote:
Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD"

The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!!

But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this.

And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3.

I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace.

If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy.

Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!!

But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot


est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!!

And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!!

And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ?

Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.
There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed.
My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!!
In the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of 1943 the Jewish Combat organisation fought the Nazis from within a closed and overcrowded urban area from which no entry or exit was possible. The Jewish Combat organisation not a regular army and branded terrorists byte Nazis, fought amongst the civilians jewish men, women, and children, the elderly and sick, from houses, cellars, hospitals, sewers, shops offices and tunnels. The Nazis defeated the Jewish Combat Organisation killing many thousand of unarmed Jews too and destroyed most of the Ghetto.

NOTICE ANY PARALLELS?
[quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]will12[/bold] wrote: Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD" The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!! But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this. And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3. I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace. If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy. Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!! But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!! And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!! And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ? Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.[/p][/quote]There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed. My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!![/p][/quote]In the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of 1943 the Jewish Combat organisation fought the Nazis from within a closed and overcrowded urban area from which no entry or exit was possible. The Jewish Combat organisation not a regular army and branded terrorists byte Nazis, fought amongst the civilians jewish men, women, and children, the elderly and sick, from houses, cellars, hospitals, sewers, shops offices and tunnels. The Nazis defeated the Jewish Combat Organisation killing many thousand of unarmed Jews too and destroyed most of the Ghetto. NOTICE ANY PARALLELS? moh
  • Score: 5

9:32pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Shane says...

glossopkid wrote:
will12 wrote:
Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD"

The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!!

But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this.

And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3.

I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace.

If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy.

Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!!

But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot


est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!!

And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!!

And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ?

Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.
There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed.
My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!!
It's only the israeli iron dome defence system that is protecting Israeli children from Hamas rockets. Powerful western nations need an ally in the middle east which Israel is which is the reason why there is a bit of talk but no real action. Obama may not support Israel but I bet your bottom dollar the US are still supplying them with technology and weapons.
[quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]will12[/bold] wrote: Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD" The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!! But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this. And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3. I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace. If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy. Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!! But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!! And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!! And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ? Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.[/p][/quote]There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed. My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!![/p][/quote]It's only the israeli iron dome defence system that is protecting Israeli children from Hamas rockets. Powerful western nations need an ally in the middle east which Israel is which is the reason why there is a bit of talk but no real action. Obama may not support Israel but I bet your bottom dollar the US are still supplying them with technology and weapons. Shane
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Wed 6 Aug 14

moh says...

Shane wrote:
glossopkid wrote:
will12 wrote:
Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD"

The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!!

But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this.

And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3.

I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace.

If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy.

Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!!

But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot



est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!!

And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!!

And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ?

Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.
There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed.
My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!!
It's only the israeli iron dome defence system that is protecting Israeli children from Hamas rockets. Powerful western nations need an ally in the middle east which Israel is which is the reason why there is a bit of talk but no real action. Obama may not support Israel but I bet your bottom dollar the US are still supplying them with technology and weapons.
You are right, just last week America have approved millions of dollars towards the Iron Dome Project. Israel has a huge arms industry and a lot of weapons are tried and tested on Gaza.
[quote][p][bold]Shane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]will12[/bold] wrote: Watched a video on youtube the other day, on how the middle east situation is easily explained, "One side wants the other one DEAD" The Israeli's have never fired the first shot against Gaza, and the number of rockets fired into Israel is into tens of thousands !!! And yet the West Bank isn't a problem !!!! But Israel is surrounded by Countries, whose religious leader's, are shouting from their pulpits, that they want Israel and ALL Israeli's dead, and they are preaching to the masses, with thousands attending these religious gatherings, but these are never shown on the biased TV Networks. And to be honest, if you looked back into the old films of the Nazi uprising in the thirties, you could put these religious leader's in the same category as Hitler !!!! And the really scary thing is, I watched videos with at least 8 preaching this pure hatred, and no one is focusing on this. And people wonder why the Israeli's do what they do, they are surrounded by fanatics who want them ALL dead. And Mr Obama is the first American President not to support Israel !!! He was responsible for the biggest arms deal to a Middle Eastern Country, America has ever seen, and this Country do not like Israel, I hope that diplomacy will stop the potential of WW3. I view this from afar, but I have briefly dug a little deeper into what is going on, and Hamas is the problem, if the people of Gaza had the power to get rid of Hamas from Government, which they can't because Hamas made it Law that they cannot be displaced from Government, ever !!! then there could be lasting peace. If Gaza had people who were prepared to negotiate in a correct manner then Israel would not only be a good neighbour, but would be prepared to potentially pour £Millions into the economy. Israel does not want War with it's neighbours, all the aggression is from it's neighbours !!!! But I don't understand why there has to be a Rally/Gathering/Prot est in the UK? And why Gaza? There are hundred's of conflicts/incidents that are as horrific, if not more so !! ISIS in Iraq/Syria, and that is one I can't get my head round/The Kidnapping of 300 girls in Africa/Female Genital mutilation/ and the persecution of Christians across the World, and many more, yet we are not Marching about this !!!! And why has it to be a March? Everyone else has a Rally at a designated area, this is going to cause chaos across an area more that the route this March is taking, think of the logistics of alternative routes !!! And when anything "far right" has a Rally, the locals are wound up into a fever about the cost to the local Councils, so who is paying for this and what is the cost to the local economy ? Yes I feel for the people of Gaza, as with any other horrific incidents across the World, but we cannot be responsible for them all, nor can we do anything about them, and what will this March achieve in the great scheme of things, because if Hamas wants to fire rockets it will do so, and remember we only get selected opinions about this from our biased Media Networks, and never forget there are always 2 sides to a story.[/p][/quote]There is 2 sides to a story and it seems you taken the side of killing innocent children as norm. Can I just remind you that the do called civilised countries would have their hands up in the air if so many Israeli children had been bombed and killed. My next question is: who is Hamas ? At present it seems that Israel is the only bully, terrorist killing innocent people. Please don't give me the explanation of Hamas using human shields. Look at the bombings closely then tell me if human shields are being used. It not only saddens me but disgusts me that the powerful nations in the world are allowing this to happen because they haven't the balls to standup to aggressors. I know I'm going to get alot of thumbs down, but at this precise moment I don't give a flying $h¥te. What is wrong is wrong we can't sugar coat what Israel is doing anymore!!![/p][/quote]It's only the israeli iron dome defence system that is protecting Israeli children from Hamas rockets. Powerful western nations need an ally in the middle east which Israel is which is the reason why there is a bit of talk but no real action. Obama may not support Israel but I bet your bottom dollar the US are still supplying them with technology and weapons.[/p][/quote]You are right, just last week America have approved millions of dollars towards the Iron Dome Project. Israel has a huge arms industry and a lot of weapons are tried and tested on Gaza. moh
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7:34am Thu 7 Aug 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

You can tell these two countries are devoutly religious; they're both trying to bomb each other into oblivion.

What's happening over there is frankly no concern of the UK and we have no business getting involved.
You can tell these two countries are devoutly religious; they're both trying to bomb each other into oblivion. What's happening over there is frankly no concern of the UK and we have no business getting involved. BuckoTheMoose
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