Doctor’s warning as Blackburn retailer calls for checks on e-cigarettes

Doctor’s warning as Blackburn retailer calls for checks on e-cigarettes

Doctor’s warning as Blackburn retailer calls for checks on e-cigarettes

First published in News Burnley and Pendle Citizen: Photograph of the Author by , Hyndburn reporter

AN East Lancashire e-cigarette seller has called for rules to stop people ‘putting rubbish’ in e-cigs.

The worker at Blackburn firm Smokers World spoke after research carried out by a New York cancer institute found high-voltage e-cigarettes ‘may expose users to increased levels of toxic chemicals, including formaldehyde and acetalde-hyde’.

And four out of 10 doctors survey-ed in a poll said they believed e-cigarette users - or ‘vapers’ - should only be able to buy them over the counter.

The survey, by doctors.net.uk, also found that 13 per cent of doctors think e-cigs should be available on prescription only.

Smokers World, in Blackburn, which sells a wide range of tobacco products as well as e-cig alternatives.

A spokesman said: “The products are so new, and there are no regulations. There are lots of inferior products out there. Nobody knows what effect it will have on the lungs, but people have said it causes them to wheeze. I have seen people go back to cigarettes because they were getting addicted to the liquid.

"There needs to be regulation to stop people putting rubbish in e-cigarettes, but if they were made prescription-only medicines the price would be forced up.”

Dr Maciej Goniewicz, from the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, said: “Some types of electronic cigarettes might expose their users to the same or even higher levels of carcinogenic formaldehyde than tobacco smoke.”

Dr Tom Smith, the Telegraph’s health columnist, said: “It’s all very well saying e-cigarettes are much safer, but you’re still inhaling nicotine which is quite a poison. There’s a good basis for suggesting they should be regulated and come with warnings.”

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5:46pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Mr Banford says...

would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.
would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits. Mr Banford
  • Score: 3

6:08pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

Mr Banford wrote:
would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.
They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Banford[/bold] wrote: would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.[/p][/quote]They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport. Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: 1

6:24pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

Mr Banford wrote:
would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.
They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Banford[/bold] wrote: would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.[/p][/quote]They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport. Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: -5

7:19pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
Mr Banford wrote:
would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.
They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.
Why has my previous comment been given a thumbs down? The ban on e-cigs may not be popular, but it's a fact!
[quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Banford[/bold] wrote: would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.[/p][/quote]They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.[/p][/quote]Why has my previous comment been given a thumbs down? The ban on e-cigs may not be popular, but it's a fact! Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: -4

7:59pm Thu 31 Jul 14

barryinthailand says...

Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
Mr Banford wrote:
would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.
They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.
Why has my previous comment been given a thumbs down? The ban on e-cigs may not be popular, but it's a fact!
I have only been asked not to smoke mine in a couple of pubs, most pubs allow them round here.
[quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Banford[/bold] wrote: would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.[/p][/quote]They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.[/p][/quote]Why has my previous comment been given a thumbs down? The ban on e-cigs may not be popular, but it's a fact![/p][/quote]I have only been asked not to smoke mine in a couple of pubs, most pubs allow them round here. barryinthailand
  • Score: 1

8:12pm Thu 31 Jul 14

greenscreener says...

If you do take the harmful rubbish out of these things, what's left ?
If you do take the harmful rubbish out of these things, what's left ? greenscreener
  • Score: 2

8:45pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Sogden says...

This guy doesn't know one end of an ecig from the other, why not ask a firm who doesn't sell 50p bottles from china?
This guy doesn't know one end of an ecig from the other, why not ask a firm who doesn't sell 50p bottles from china? Sogden
  • Score: 7

8:49pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Mr Banford says...

Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
Mr Banford wrote:
would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.
They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.
i didnt mean regulate as in where you can smoke them, i meant in the sense that so many specialists believe they are harmful but testing wont be complete until 2016/18 (if i remember correctly) and by then many people could have been smoking them for over 5 years.
regulate what goes into them until testing is completed. theres no reason for other chemicals to be used and a quick google search shows how easy it is to make your own liquid and it only takes 3 ingredients so why are companies adding formaldehyde and acetalde-hyde ?

also, so many people smoke them when the wick is burnt out and dont bother replacing it for a few days. for me thats what causes the wheezing and then were probably causing more harm than a real cigarette but with no facts about their usage its impossible to know.
[quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Banford[/bold] wrote: would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.[/p][/quote]They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.[/p][/quote]i didnt mean regulate as in where you can smoke them, i meant in the sense that so many specialists believe they are harmful but testing wont be complete until 2016/18 (if i remember correctly) and by then many people could have been smoking them for over 5 years. regulate what goes into them until testing is completed. theres no reason for other chemicals to be used and a quick google search shows how easy it is to make your own liquid and it only takes 3 ingredients so why are companies adding formaldehyde and acetalde-hyde ? also, so many people smoke them when the wick is burnt out and dont bother replacing it for a few days. for me thats what causes the wheezing and then were probably causing more harm than a real cigarette but with no facts about their usage its impossible to know. Mr Banford
  • Score: 5

9:28pm Thu 31 Jul 14

lifeisace says...

1: Sanjay at Smokers World doesn't sell 50p bottles of cheap imported eLiquid, he sells quality fluids from Totally Wicked- their Red Label range of fluids is made right here in sunny Blackburn under laboratory conditions.
2: Indeed, no long term studies exist but one must consider relative harm versus tobacco cigarettes. We know that these don't deposit tar, that Propylene Glycol- one of the components of these liquids, is used in Asthma Inhalers so regarded as safe and that Nicotine- aside from being highly addictive, is no more harmful than caffein in the highly diluted concentrations in these liquids. We also know that as there is no combustion occurring, they aren't producing those harmful gasses which result from incomplete combustion.
3: The industry is desperate for regulation. There are companies out there who only care about their margins, selling cheap non-pharma grade Nicotine liquids with no care for the consumer.
4: The industry is severely hurting the big tobacco businesses, the big pharma businesses and the government, through loss of revenue through taxes. This negative media is an attempt to scare users so they continue to line these greedy b*stards pockets.
1: Sanjay at Smokers World doesn't sell 50p bottles of cheap imported eLiquid, he sells quality fluids from Totally Wicked- their Red Label range of fluids is made right here in sunny Blackburn under laboratory conditions. 2: Indeed, no long term studies exist but one must consider relative harm versus tobacco cigarettes. We know that these don't deposit tar, that Propylene Glycol- one of the components of these liquids, is used in Asthma Inhalers so regarded as safe and that Nicotine- aside from being highly addictive, is no more harmful than caffein in the highly diluted concentrations in these liquids. We also know that as there is no combustion occurring, they aren't producing those harmful gasses which result from incomplete combustion. 3: The industry is desperate for regulation. There are companies out there who only care about their margins, selling cheap non-pharma grade Nicotine liquids with no care for the consumer. 4: The industry is severely hurting the big tobacco businesses, the big pharma businesses and the government, through loss of revenue through taxes. This negative media is an attempt to scare users so they continue to line these greedy b*stards pockets. lifeisace
  • Score: 18

9:58pm Thu 31 Jul 14

lifeisace says...

In addition to my comment above, I must correct you Sanjay; users of cigarettes are addicted to both the Nicotine and also to the physical act of smoking. ECigarettes deliver Nicotine in a very similar way, which is why they're so effective. "I have seen people go back to cigarettes because they were getting addicted to the liquid" is a B.S statement, it's the Nicotine that's addictive and these devices are sold as an alternative to burning tobacco.
The government are merely puppets of big business and I find it an utter disgrace that they take finance more seriously than the health of the population.
In addition to my comment above, I must correct you Sanjay; users of cigarettes are addicted to both the Nicotine and also to the physical act of smoking. ECigarettes deliver Nicotine in a very similar way, which is why they're so effective. "I have seen people go back to cigarettes because they were getting addicted to the liquid" is a B.S statement, it's the Nicotine that's addictive and these devices are sold as an alternative to burning tobacco. The government are merely puppets of big business and I find it an utter disgrace that they take finance more seriously than the health of the population. lifeisace
  • Score: 8

10:02pm Thu 31 Jul 14

burner says...

Let's face it . . . . people are so stupid and gullible.
Let's face it . . . . people are so stupid and gullible. burner
  • Score: 2

12:25am Fri 1 Aug 14

thoroughbred says...

Buy from responsible outlets only, like Totally Wicked, not the cheap stands that are popping up everywhere. TW liquids contain none of the harmful ingredients that are being found in cheap imports. Regulation would benefit users and responsible sellers, what we don't want is for the bl@@dy government to cash in on them, due to the fact they're losing massive revenue from cigarettes, they need to take into consideration the millions that will be saved within the NHS. Tobacco is a killer, of that, there is no doubt, so we need to encourage the use of e-cigs, cos nothing can be as dangerous as fags. I know at least half a dozen people who have given up using anything, after a short spell on e-cigs.
Buy from responsible outlets only, like Totally Wicked, not the cheap stands that are popping up everywhere. TW liquids contain none of the harmful ingredients that are being found in cheap imports. Regulation would benefit users and responsible sellers, what we don't want is for the bl@@dy government to cash in on them, due to the fact they're losing massive revenue from cigarettes, they need to take into consideration the millions that will be saved within the NHS. Tobacco is a killer, of that, there is no doubt, so we need to encourage the use of e-cigs, cos nothing can be as dangerous as fags. I know at least half a dozen people who have given up using anything, after a short spell on e-cigs. thoroughbred
  • Score: 3

12:48am Fri 1 Aug 14

noddy57 says...

Mr Banford wrote:
would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.
why is this chap so concerned ? the government don, seem to care. me l stopped smoking 6 years ago and its the best thing l ever did. My advice is if you want to kick the habit forget substitutes do it cold turkey and feel proud of your achievement don,t take the alternative route that is almost as bad as the real thing. Oh " and good luck.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Banford[/bold] wrote: would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.[/p][/quote]why is this chap so concerned ? the government don, seem to care. me l stopped smoking 6 years ago and its the best thing l ever did. My advice is if you want to kick the habit forget substitutes do it cold turkey and feel proud of your achievement don,t take the alternative route that is almost as bad as the real thing. Oh " and good luck. noddy57
  • Score: -3

9:04am Fri 1 Aug 14

woolywords says...

You will recall that the some pubs banned them, as their staff couldn't differentiate between smoking and vaping. I know of one JD Wetherspoon pub manager that does allow people to use e-cigs indoors and I suspect that this is because he himself is a user.
In that pub, it's known as Chuffers Corner, as they produce a lot of steam from vaping. It is the only place in the pub where they are tolerated and they make sure that nobody is having a sly indoor fag in return for the privilege.
...
Strange dichotomy of the shop worker selling tobacco products and having concerns over contents of e-cigs.
You will recall that the some pubs banned them, as their staff couldn't differentiate between smoking and vaping. I know of one JD Wetherspoon pub manager that does allow people to use e-cigs indoors and I suspect that this is because he himself is a user. In that pub, it's known as Chuffers Corner, as they produce a lot of steam from vaping. It is the only place in the pub where they are tolerated and they make sure that nobody is having a sly indoor fag in return for the privilege. ... Strange dichotomy of the shop worker selling tobacco products and having concerns over contents of e-cigs. woolywords
  • Score: 3

9:55am Fri 1 Aug 14

ednawhatnot says...

I'd take their concerns about people's health more seriously if they weren't also peddling so-called 'legal highs' to teenagers and other people stupid enough to think that these chemicals are safe, just because they haven't been banned yet.
I'd take their concerns about people's health more seriously if they weren't also peddling so-called 'legal highs' to teenagers and other people stupid enough to think that these chemicals are safe, just because they haven't been banned yet. ednawhatnot
  • Score: 2

9:56am Fri 1 Aug 14

Frisson says...

The survey, by doctors.net.uk, also found that 13 per cent of doctors think e-cigs should be available on prescription only

So 87% of doctors think they are ok? Good enough for me. What I thinks happening here is the government are losing income via tax from cigarettes at a rapid rate so they are doing everything in their power to brand these as unsafe yet are happy to let people but tobacco which is far worse. Also the big pharmaceutical companies are starting to worry as people are switching to e-cigs so in the longer term less people will get ill and require expensive medication.
The survey, by doctors.net.uk, also found that 13 per cent of doctors think e-cigs should be available on prescription only So 87% of doctors think they are ok? Good enough for me. What I thinks happening here is the government are losing income via tax from cigarettes at a rapid rate so they are doing everything in their power to brand these as unsafe yet are happy to let people but tobacco which is far worse. Also the big pharmaceutical companies are starting to worry as people are switching to e-cigs so in the longer term less people will get ill and require expensive medication. Frisson
  • Score: 6

11:22am Fri 1 Aug 14

EDL make me laugh says...

Legalise cannabis that's the solution
Legalise cannabis that's the solution EDL make me laugh
  • Score: 0

11:35am Fri 1 Aug 14

woolywords says...

EDL make me laugh wrote:
Legalise cannabis that's the solution
THC makes me laugh
but this might make you cry..
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[quote][p][bold]EDL make me laugh[/bold] wrote: Legalise cannabis that's the solution[/p][/quote]THC makes me laugh but this might make you cry.. http://tinyurl.com/p 8as5jb woolywords
  • Score: -1

8:21pm Fri 1 Aug 14

crunchy2k says...

Mr Banford wrote:
Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
Mr Banford wrote:
would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.
They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.
i didnt mean regulate as in where you can smoke them, i meant in the sense that so many specialists believe they are harmful but testing wont be complete until 2016/18 (if i remember correctly) and by then many people could have been smoking them for over 5 years.
regulate what goes into them until testing is completed. theres no reason for other chemicals to be used and a quick google search shows how easy it is to make your own liquid and it only takes 3 ingredients so why are companies adding formaldehyde and acetalde-hyde ?

also, so many people smoke them when the wick is burnt out and dont bother replacing it for a few days. for me thats what causes the wheezing and then were probably causing more harm than a real cigarette but with no facts about their usage its impossible to know.
Formaldehyde and acetaldehyde are normal metabolic chemicals from your body. Gonewizc's 2012 study of emissions from 12 e-cigarettes found it would take 15 puffs from an e-cigarette to equal the amounts found in one human breath.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Banford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Banford[/bold] wrote: would it not be sensible to regulate them until its proven that they are safe? so many companies are jumping on the ecig cash cow and im sure very few really care about the health benefits.[/p][/quote]They are already treated in the same way as" real" cigarettes in pubs and,on most, if not all, public transport.[/p][/quote]i didnt mean regulate as in where you can smoke them, i meant in the sense that so many specialists believe they are harmful but testing wont be complete until 2016/18 (if i remember correctly) and by then many people could have been smoking them for over 5 years. regulate what goes into them until testing is completed. theres no reason for other chemicals to be used and a quick google search shows how easy it is to make your own liquid and it only takes 3 ingredients so why are companies adding formaldehyde and acetalde-hyde ? also, so many people smoke them when the wick is burnt out and dont bother replacing it for a few days. for me thats what causes the wheezing and then were probably causing more harm than a real cigarette but with no facts about their usage its impossible to know.[/p][/quote]Formaldehyde and acetaldehyde are normal metabolic chemicals from your body. Gonewizc's 2012 study of emissions from 12 e-cigarettes found it would take 15 puffs from an e-cigarette to equal the amounts found in one human breath. crunchy2k
  • Score: 1

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