Thousands of public sector workers strike over pay across East Lancashire

Burnley and Pendle Citizen: Thousands of public sector workers strike over pay across East Lancashire Thousands of public sector workers strike over pay across East Lancashire

THOUSANDS of public sector workers across East Lancashire are taking part in a nation-wide strike today over pay.

Members of Unison, GMB, Unite and the Fire Brigade Union have taken to picket lines across the region.

The Public and Commercial Services Union and members of the teachers union, NUT, are also taking part, forcing some schools to close for the day.

VIEW THE LIST OF SCHOOL CLOSURES IN LANCASHIRE HERE

John Lewis, Unison North West’s head of local government said: “A decent pay rise for local government and school support staff is long overdue. People are really struggling on poverty pay.

“A pay rise is affordable and much of the cost would be re-couped in higher tax revenues and lower benefit payments.

“A pay rise would also benefit local economies as it would boost spending in local shops.

“People don’t go on strike lightly but our members see no alternative to taking action now.”

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10:46am Thu 10 Jul 14

TONY WALES says...

Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid.
Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool?
When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change.
You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning.
The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make?
You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.
Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid. Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool? When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change. You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning. The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make? You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves. TONY WALES
  • Score: 10

10:56am Thu 10 Jul 14

Excluded again says...

I run a small business.

I sign contracts with customers which set out the terms and conditions and payments for the work. if the customer seeks to vary the terms and conditions unilaterally, they are likely to find that my business withdraws its labour until they agree to abide by the terms of the contract they signed.
I run a small business. I sign contracts with customers which set out the terms and conditions and payments for the work. if the customer seeks to vary the terms and conditions unilaterally, they are likely to find that my business withdraws its labour until they agree to abide by the terms of the contract they signed. Excluded again
  • Score: -5

11:14am Thu 10 Jul 14

shytalk says...

TONY WALES wrote:
Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid.
Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool?
When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change.
You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning.
The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make?
You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.
I tend to agree Tony, but it is somewhat understandable as people are very angry now with this corrupt regime
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid. Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool? When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change. You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning. The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make? You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree Tony, but it is somewhat understandable as people are very angry now with this corrupt regime shytalk
  • Score: 2

11:44am Thu 10 Jul 14

glynners says...

The generic workers get a 3 year pay freeze. Leaders see a nice steady rise. Costs go up, wages stay the same, the generic workers are handed more responsibility due to cuts in other areas and still wages stay the same... And add that you have an ex LCC leader being investigated for backhanders and MPs moaning about only getting a 10% pay rise, its a no wonder theyre taking action
The generic workers get a 3 year pay freeze. Leaders see a nice steady rise. Costs go up, wages stay the same, the generic workers are handed more responsibility due to cuts in other areas and still wages stay the same... And add that you have an ex LCC leader being investigated for backhanders and MPs moaning about only getting a 10% pay rise, its a no wonder theyre taking action glynners
  • Score: 24

12:21pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Eric Shawn says...

If the pay is not fair, why did you take the job ? or go and work in the real world ?
If the pay is not fair, why did you take the job ? or go and work in the real world ? Eric Shawn
  • Score: -12

12:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

AndyD123 says...

people may strike for a single day to make a point. They may be able to afford to lose one days pay. Few have the stomach to go on a prolonged strike and the government knows this and so is content to wait them out. Down tools for a week or two and things may change. Nothing will be accomplished by a single day's action
people may strike for a single day to make a point. They may be able to afford to lose one days pay. Few have the stomach to go on a prolonged strike and the government knows this and so is content to wait them out. Down tools for a week or two and things may change. Nothing will be accomplished by a single day's action AndyD123
  • Score: 19

1:39pm Thu 10 Jul 14

hasslem hasslem says...

Excluded again wrote:
I run a small business.

I sign contracts with customers which set out the terms and conditions and payments for the work. if the customer seeks to vary the terms and conditions unilaterally, they are likely to find that my business withdraws its labour until they agree to abide by the terms of the contract they signed.
so none of your customers have been a bit late paying an invoice?
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: I run a small business. I sign contracts with customers which set out the terms and conditions and payments for the work. if the customer seeks to vary the terms and conditions unilaterally, they are likely to find that my business withdraws its labour until they agree to abide by the terms of the contract they signed.[/p][/quote]so none of your customers have been a bit late paying an invoice? hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 18

1:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Begbie says...

We have poison in the well (the british political regime). This country should not be run for the select few which it is. I don't think my grandparents fought the Nazis for what we have now.
The rich gave us a few perks after the war. Now they want them back!
We have poison in the well (the british political regime). This country should not be run for the select few which it is. I don't think my grandparents fought the Nazis for what we have now. The rich gave us a few perks after the war. Now they want them back! Begbie
  • Score: -3

1:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Excluded again says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
I run a small business.

I sign contracts with customers which set out the terms and conditions and payments for the work. if the customer seeks to vary the terms and conditions unilaterally, they are likely to find that my business withdraws its labour until they agree to abide by the terms of the contract they signed.
so none of your customers have been a bit late paying an invoice?
If they are and don't pay on reminders, so long as the contract is going on we may suspend work until they abide by the terms of the contract.

The employers and the employees signed a contract. They should both abide by it.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: I run a small business. I sign contracts with customers which set out the terms and conditions and payments for the work. if the customer seeks to vary the terms and conditions unilaterally, they are likely to find that my business withdraws its labour until they agree to abide by the terms of the contract they signed.[/p][/quote]so none of your customers have been a bit late paying an invoice?[/p][/quote]If they are and don't pay on reminders, so long as the contract is going on we may suspend work until they abide by the terms of the contract. The employers and the employees signed a contract. They should both abide by it. Excluded again
  • Score: -4

2:18pm Thu 10 Jul 14

ikap22 says...

TONY WALES wrote:
Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid.
Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool?
When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change.
You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning.
The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make?
You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.
Well done, totally agree with you there! Normally you type utter garbage, but this time your spot on.
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid. Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool? When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change. You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning. The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make? You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.[/p][/quote]Well done, totally agree with you there! Normally you type utter garbage, but this time your spot on. ikap22
  • Score: 1

2:30pm Thu 10 Jul 14

hasslem hasslem says...

Excluded again wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
I run a small business.

I sign contracts with customers which set out the terms and conditions and payments for the work. if the customer seeks to vary the terms and conditions unilaterally, they are likely to find that my business withdraws its labour until they agree to abide by the terms of the contract they signed.
so none of your customers have been a bit late paying an invoice?
If they are and don't pay on reminders, so long as the contract is going on we may suspend work until they abide by the terms of the contract.

The employers and the employees signed a contract. They should both abide by it.
"we may"
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: I run a small business. I sign contracts with customers which set out the terms and conditions and payments for the work. if the customer seeks to vary the terms and conditions unilaterally, they are likely to find that my business withdraws its labour until they agree to abide by the terms of the contract they signed.[/p][/quote]so none of your customers have been a bit late paying an invoice?[/p][/quote]If they are and don't pay on reminders, so long as the contract is going on we may suspend work until they abide by the terms of the contract. The employers and the employees signed a contract. They should both abide by it.[/p][/quote]"we may" hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 0

4:34pm Thu 10 Jul 14

A Darener says...

Begbie wrote:
We have poison in the well (the british political regime). This country should not be run for the select few which it is. I don't think my grandparents fought the Nazis for what we have now.
The rich gave us a few perks after the war. Now they want them back!
Unfortunately the select few are the select many and they work in Strasbourg. Bleeding this country dry. Something the Nazis tried by war but failed, now it is done with stealth.
[quote][p][bold]Begbie[/bold] wrote: We have poison in the well (the british political regime). This country should not be run for the select few which it is. I don't think my grandparents fought the Nazis for what we have now. The rich gave us a few perks after the war. Now they want them back![/p][/quote]Unfortunately the select few are the select many and they work in Strasbourg. Bleeding this country dry. Something the Nazis tried by war but failed, now it is done with stealth. A Darener
  • Score: 4

4:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

S4AWX100 says...

TONY WALES wrote:
Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid.
Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool?
When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change.
You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning.
The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make?
You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.
Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid. Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool? When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change. You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning. The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make? You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.[/p][/quote]Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind. S4AWX100
  • Score: 5

5:18pm Thu 10 Jul 14

TONY WALES says...

S4AWX100 wrote:
TONY WALES wrote:
Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid.
Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool?
When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change.
You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning.
The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make?
You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.
Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.
But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living.

What did the coal miners achieve?............
...........no job ..............no more mines.
Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union.
I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job.
[quote][p][bold]S4AWX100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid. Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool? When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change. You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning. The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make? You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.[/p][/quote]Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.[/p][/quote]But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living. What did the coal miners achieve?............ ...........no job ..............no more mines. Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union. I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job. TONY WALES
  • Score: -1

5:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

flogemandwhipem says...

And come the general election next year, the sheep will vote for the Labour Party, thinking that things will change. Well they won't. Labour, Tory, Lib Dems, one party three different names, all looking out for themselves and their business/banking friends, and Joe Public can continue life as cannon fodder.
And come the general election next year, the sheep will vote for the Labour Party, thinking that things will change. Well they won't. Labour, Tory, Lib Dems, one party three different names, all looking out for themselves and their business/banking friends, and Joe Public can continue life as cannon fodder. flogemandwhipem
  • Score: 11

5:33pm Thu 10 Jul 14

child44 says...

Well I support them and I think it's important that they are prepared losing even a day's pay. Public sector workers do important jobs.
Well I support them and I think it's important that they are prepared losing even a day's pay. Public sector workers do important jobs. child44
  • Score: 15

5:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

doggydog says...

Oh wot a shame for them! My heart bleeds for the underpaid service workers! Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they dont like the job and the decent wage and terms they get then time to pack the job in and try life somewhere else! They would soon find out wot a cushy No they have!
Oh wot a shame for them! My heart bleeds for the underpaid service workers! Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they dont like the job and the decent wage and terms they get then time to pack the job in and try life somewhere else! They would soon find out wot a cushy No they have! doggydog
  • Score: -11

8:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

ikap22 says...

doggydog wrote:
Oh wot a shame for them! My heart bleeds for the underpaid service workers! Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they dont like the job and the decent wage and terms they get then time to pack the job in and try life somewhere else! They would soon find out wot a cushy No they have!
You are a very big turd!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: Oh wot a shame for them! My heart bleeds for the underpaid service workers! Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they dont like the job and the decent wage and terms they get then time to pack the job in and try life somewhere else! They would soon find out wot a cushy No they have![/p][/quote]You are a very big turd!!!!!!!!! ikap22
  • Score: -3

8:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

not too old to care says...

Let's stop swerving the issue by talking about this political claptrap of "regimes, wars and nazis"
I want to talk about binmen.
I pay my Council Tax, Income Tax, National Insurance, VAT, TV Licence, Insurance Policy Tax, Car Tax, Petrol Tax, Alcohol Tax, Cigarette Tax, (delete that, I can't afford cigarettes any more), Energy Tax, Green Planet Tax, etc.
Yet I like many others are at an age who will not have a Private Pension because any spare money that I have earned (that's after buying essentials for me and my family) has gone to paying tax.
So let's stop swishing around in muddy water.
The Bin Men.
They do a good job, an essential job, and for that I respect them but asking me to pay more taxes because they haven't had a pay rise or a pension increase during these difficult times does nothing for me.

What is their gross rate of pay?
How many annual days holiday do they get?
What qualifications do they need to get the job?
What Pension on top of the State Pension can they expect?
What job security do they have?
What sick pay scheme do they benefit from?
What other perks do they enjoy?

Then let them explain why if they are underpaid and overworked they haven't quit their jobs

They may not be the richest but they are a long way away from being the poorest in society and my bin has still not been emptied.

Rubbish you might say. Well I have a lot of that at the moment.
Any guesses what I'd like to do with it ?????
Let's stop swerving the issue by talking about this political claptrap of "regimes, wars and nazis" I want to talk about binmen. I pay my Council Tax, Income Tax, National Insurance, VAT, TV Licence, Insurance Policy Tax, Car Tax, Petrol Tax, Alcohol Tax, Cigarette Tax, (delete that, I can't afford cigarettes any more), Energy Tax, Green Planet Tax, etc. Yet I like many others are at an age who will not have a Private Pension because any spare money that I have earned (that's after buying essentials for me and my family) has gone to paying tax. So let's stop swishing around in muddy water. The Bin Men. They do a good job, an essential job, and for that I respect them but asking me to pay more taxes because they haven't had a pay rise or a pension increase during these difficult times does nothing for me. What is their gross rate of pay? How many annual days holiday do they get? What qualifications do they need to get the job? What Pension on top of the State Pension can they expect? What job security do they have? What sick pay scheme do they benefit from? What other perks do they enjoy? Then let them explain why if they are underpaid and overworked they haven't quit their jobs They may not be the richest but they are a long way away from being the poorest in society and my bin has still not been emptied. Rubbish you might say. Well I have a lot of that at the moment. Any guesses what I'd like to do with it ????? not too old to care
  • Score: 0

8:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

liddle 'un says...

The big issue for the public sector is the cost of their pension schemes which is slowly bankrupting the country.
The big issue for the public sector is the cost of their pension schemes which is slowly bankrupting the country. liddle 'un
  • Score: 3

8:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mayor07 says...

not too old to care wrote:
Let's stop swerving the issue by talking about this political claptrap of "regimes, wars and nazis"
I want to talk about binmen.
I pay my Council Tax, Income Tax, National Insurance, VAT, TV Licence, Insurance Policy Tax, Car Tax, Petrol Tax, Alcohol Tax, Cigarette Tax, (delete that, I can't afford cigarettes any more), Energy Tax, Green Planet Tax, etc.
Yet I like many others are at an age who will not have a Private Pension because any spare money that I have earned (that's after buying essentials for me and my family) has gone to paying tax.
So let's stop swishing around in muddy water.
The Bin Men.
They do a good job, an essential job, and for that I respect them but asking me to pay more taxes because they haven't had a pay rise or a pension increase during these difficult times does nothing for me.

What is their gross rate of pay?
How many annual days holiday do they get?
What qualifications do they need to get the job?
What Pension on top of the State Pension can they expect?
What job security do they have?
What sick pay scheme do they benefit from?
What other perks do they enjoy?

Then let them explain why if they are underpaid and overworked they haven't quit their jobs

They may not be the richest but they are a long way away from being the poorest in society and my bin has still not been emptied.

Rubbish you might say. Well I have a lot of that at the moment.
Any guesses what I'd like to do with it ?????
Why don't you get a job as a binman?
[quote][p][bold]not too old to care[/bold] wrote: Let's stop swerving the issue by talking about this political claptrap of "regimes, wars and nazis" I want to talk about binmen. I pay my Council Tax, Income Tax, National Insurance, VAT, TV Licence, Insurance Policy Tax, Car Tax, Petrol Tax, Alcohol Tax, Cigarette Tax, (delete that, I can't afford cigarettes any more), Energy Tax, Green Planet Tax, etc. Yet I like many others are at an age who will not have a Private Pension because any spare money that I have earned (that's after buying essentials for me and my family) has gone to paying tax. So let's stop swishing around in muddy water. The Bin Men. They do a good job, an essential job, and for that I respect them but asking me to pay more taxes because they haven't had a pay rise or a pension increase during these difficult times does nothing for me. What is their gross rate of pay? How many annual days holiday do they get? What qualifications do they need to get the job? What Pension on top of the State Pension can they expect? What job security do they have? What sick pay scheme do they benefit from? What other perks do they enjoy? Then let them explain why if they are underpaid and overworked they haven't quit their jobs They may not be the richest but they are a long way away from being the poorest in society and my bin has still not been emptied. Rubbish you might say. Well I have a lot of that at the moment. Any guesses what I'd like to do with it ?????[/p][/quote]Why don't you get a job as a binman? mayor07
  • Score: 1

9:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Shorty Medlocke says...

To be fair, those still lucky enough to working in the public sector aren't doing too badly. Spare a thought for those who have been transferred from the public sector to private companies who then go about slashing wages, term and conditions, and reducing service provision to a bare minimum. This is an ongoing government plan to dump the NHS and other services, more often than not to companies whose senior management are best mates with the decision makers and end up profiting enormously. For example, look at how learning disability provision locally was sold out to companies like Creative Support, AFG, Thera...the list goes on. These 'not for profit' companies are making a fortune, hiding it away in subsidiary companies, whilst they don't care a bit about their clients or staff. That is the real scandal.
To be fair, those still lucky enough to working in the public sector aren't doing too badly. Spare a thought for those who have been transferred from the public sector to private companies who then go about slashing wages, term and conditions, and reducing service provision to a bare minimum. This is an ongoing government plan to dump the NHS and other services, more often than not to companies whose senior management are best mates with the decision makers and end up profiting enormously. For example, look at how learning disability provision locally was sold out to companies like Creative Support, AFG, Thera...the list goes on. These 'not for profit' companies are making a fortune, hiding it away in subsidiary companies, whilst they don't care a bit about their clients or staff. That is the real scandal. Shorty Medlocke
  • Score: 9

9:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Pembina says...

Nothing short of blackmail I say - public sector workers should not be allowed to strike - As Ronald Regan once said they didn't strike , they quit.
If they strike they should be given their p45's
Nothing short of blackmail I say - public sector workers should not be allowed to strike - As Ronald Regan once said they didn't strike , they quit. If they strike they should be given their p45's Pembina
  • Score: 1

11:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

S4AWX100 says...

TONY WALES wrote:
S4AWX100 wrote:
TONY WALES wrote:
Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid.
Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool?
When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change.
You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning.
The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make?
You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.
Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.
But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living.

What did the coal miners achieve?............

...........no job ..............no more mines.
Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union.
I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job.
yes just as I though a festering SCAB say no more
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S4AWX100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid. Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool? When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change. You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning. The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make? You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.[/p][/quote]Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.[/p][/quote]But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living. What did the coal miners achieve?............ ...........no job ..............no more mines. Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union. I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job.[/p][/quote]yes just as I though a festering SCAB say no more S4AWX100
  • Score: -1

6:45am Fri 11 Jul 14

doggydog says...

ikap22 wrote:
doggydog wrote:
Oh wot a shame for them! My heart bleeds for the underpaid service workers! Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they dont like the job and the decent wage and terms they get then time to pack the job in and try life somewhere else! They would soon find out wot a cushy No they have!
You are a very big turd!!!!!!!!!
Why do you say that? Come on potty mouth. Is that the extent of your dictionary?
They do a job, nothing more just like the rest of us. Some areas they get paid till 3.30pm but finish at 12.30pm and go home with pay. Dont see folk mentioning that,do i? Now the councils where they do finish early should get them cleaning the streets till 3.30pm after all, we pay there wages.OOps,hang on, that would not be fair would it as they would have to work a full week! and we cant have that, can we.

Schools fine our kids if they take time from school, yet the teachers go on strike and the kids go without the education,the teachers state they need! Cant understand that one! They dot care about kids,only there pockets and its nothing more than greed in most cases.We are in a time were money is tight of all and most dont get a pay rise and have not had one for many a year.
[quote][p][bold]ikap22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: Oh wot a shame for them! My heart bleeds for the underpaid service workers! Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they dont like the job and the decent wage and terms they get then time to pack the job in and try life somewhere else! They would soon find out wot a cushy No they have![/p][/quote]You are a very big turd!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Why do you say that? Come on potty mouth. Is that the extent of your dictionary? They do a job, nothing more just like the rest of us. Some areas they get paid till 3.30pm but finish at 12.30pm and go home with pay. Dont see folk mentioning that,do i? Now the councils where they do finish early should get them cleaning the streets till 3.30pm after all, we pay there wages.OOps,hang on, that would not be fair would it as they would have to work a full week! and we cant have that, can we. Schools fine our kids if they take time from school, yet the teachers go on strike and the kids go without the education,the teachers state they need! Cant understand that one! They dot care about kids,only there pockets and its nothing more than greed in most cases.We are in a time were money is tight of all and most dont get a pay rise and have not had one for many a year. doggydog
  • Score: 4

8:12am Fri 11 Jul 14

zabby says...

TONY WALES wrote:
S4AWX100 wrote:
TONY WALES wrote:
Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid.
Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool?
When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change.
You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning.
The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make?
You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.
Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.
But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living.

What did the coal miners achieve?............

...........no job ..............no more mines.
Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union.
I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job.
Spineless people like you make me sick,if you know anything about the miners strike it was a personal thing,thatcher getting her own back using uniformed thugs,now jog on you spineless scab,with your views no one would have any rights working in non contract jobs how would you pay your bills then,you spineless jobsworth scab
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S4AWX100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid. Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool? When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change. You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning. The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make? You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.[/p][/quote]Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.[/p][/quote]But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living. What did the coal miners achieve?............ ...........no job ..............no more mines. Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union. I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job.[/p][/quote]Spineless people like you make me sick,if you know anything about the miners strike it was a personal thing,thatcher getting her own back using uniformed thugs,now jog on you spineless scab,with your views no one would have any rights working in non contract jobs how would you pay your bills then,you spineless jobsworth scab zabby
  • Score: -1

8:12am Fri 11 Jul 14

zabby says...

TONY WALES wrote:
S4AWX100 wrote:
TONY WALES wrote:
Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid.
Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool?
When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change.
You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning.
The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make?
You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.
Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.
But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living.

What did the coal miners achieve?............

...........no job ..............no more mines.
Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union.
I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job.
Spineless people like you make me sick,if you know anything about the miners strike it was a personal thing,thatcher getting her own back using uniformed thugs,now jog on you spineless scab,with your views no one would have any rights working in non contract jobs how would you pay your bills then,you spineless jobsworth scab
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S4AWX100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid. Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool? When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change. You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning. The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make? You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.[/p][/quote]Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.[/p][/quote]But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living. What did the coal miners achieve?............ ...........no job ..............no more mines. Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union. I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job.[/p][/quote]Spineless people like you make me sick,if you know anything about the miners strike it was a personal thing,thatcher getting her own back using uniformed thugs,now jog on you spineless scab,with your views no one would have any rights working in non contract jobs how would you pay your bills then,you spineless jobsworth scab zabby
  • Score: -2

8:55am Fri 11 Jul 14

rudis_dad says...

not too old to care wrote:
Let's stop swerving the issue by talking about this political claptrap of "regimes, wars and nazis"
I want to talk about binmen.
I pay my Council Tax, Income Tax, National Insurance, VAT, TV Licence, Insurance Policy Tax, Car Tax, Petrol Tax, Alcohol Tax, Cigarette Tax, (delete that, I can't afford cigarettes any more), Energy Tax, Green Planet Tax, etc.
Yet I like many others are at an age who will not have a Private Pension because any spare money that I have earned (that's after buying essentials for me and my family) has gone to paying tax.
So let's stop swishing around in muddy water.
The Bin Men.
They do a good job, an essential job, and for that I respect them but asking me to pay more taxes because they haven't had a pay rise or a pension increase during these difficult times does nothing for me.

What is their gross rate of pay?
How many annual days holiday do they get?
What qualifications do they need to get the job?
What Pension on top of the State Pension can they expect?
What job security do they have?
What sick pay scheme do they benefit from?
What other perks do they enjoy?

Then let them explain why if they are underpaid and overworked they haven't quit their jobs

They may not be the richest but they are a long way away from being the poorest in society and my bin has still not been emptied.

Rubbish you might say. Well I have a lot of that at the moment.
Any guesses what I'd like to do with it ?????
Erm. Normally I'd agree, but not all bin-men (or "refuse technicians") actually work in the public sector - many councils contract out waste collections to private sector companies, Burnley use Veolia for example and have used Sita-Suez and Biffa in the past.

On the other hand I have little sympathy for the strikers - striking has become an anachronism and very rarely achieves anything but negative results. Strikes are the reason why this country has no coal, steel, car- or ship-building industries any more worth speaking of. The unions brought about their own demise because private employers will not tolerate unreliable workforces. At a time when EVERYONE is feeling the pinch, regardless of who you work for, going on strike for more pay is churlish to say the least.
[quote][p][bold]not too old to care[/bold] wrote: Let's stop swerving the issue by talking about this political claptrap of "regimes, wars and nazis" I want to talk about binmen. I pay my Council Tax, Income Tax, National Insurance, VAT, TV Licence, Insurance Policy Tax, Car Tax, Petrol Tax, Alcohol Tax, Cigarette Tax, (delete that, I can't afford cigarettes any more), Energy Tax, Green Planet Tax, etc. Yet I like many others are at an age who will not have a Private Pension because any spare money that I have earned (that's after buying essentials for me and my family) has gone to paying tax. So let's stop swishing around in muddy water. The Bin Men. They do a good job, an essential job, and for that I respect them but asking me to pay more taxes because they haven't had a pay rise or a pension increase during these difficult times does nothing for me. What is their gross rate of pay? How many annual days holiday do they get? What qualifications do they need to get the job? What Pension on top of the State Pension can they expect? What job security do they have? What sick pay scheme do they benefit from? What other perks do they enjoy? Then let them explain why if they are underpaid and overworked they haven't quit their jobs They may not be the richest but they are a long way away from being the poorest in society and my bin has still not been emptied. Rubbish you might say. Well I have a lot of that at the moment. Any guesses what I'd like to do with it ?????[/p][/quote]Erm. Normally I'd agree, but not all bin-men (or "refuse technicians") actually work in the public sector - many councils contract out waste collections to private sector companies, Burnley use Veolia for example and have used Sita-Suez and Biffa in the past. On the other hand I have little sympathy for the strikers - striking has become an anachronism and very rarely achieves anything but negative results. Strikes are the reason why this country has no coal, steel, car- or ship-building industries any more worth speaking of. The unions brought about their own demise because private employers will not tolerate unreliable workforces. At a time when EVERYONE is feeling the pinch, regardless of who you work for, going on strike for more pay is churlish to say the least. rudis_dad
  • Score: 1

9:42am Fri 11 Jul 14

TONY WALES says...

zabby wrote:
TONY WALES wrote:
S4AWX100 wrote:
TONY WALES wrote:
Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid.
Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool?
When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change.
You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning.
The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make?
You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.
Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.
But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living.

What did the coal miners achieve?............


...........no job ..............no more mines.
Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union.
I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job.
Spineless people like you make me sick,if you know anything about the miners strike it was a personal thing,thatcher getting her own back using uniformed thugs,now jog on you spineless scab,with your views no one would have any rights working in non contract jobs how would you pay your bills then,you spineless jobsworth scab
Not choosing to defend your mate Mr Scargill then?

What about the miner killed on his way to work by people dropping a brick through his car windscreen?
Is that the treatment for scabs?
[quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S4AWX100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Another day off ...no pay...the bills still need to be paid. Sunny weather...go shopping..go to Blackpool? When will these people ever learn, the government are not listening...you are not going to get anymore money, your pension conditions are not going to change. You have no muscle to change the government's mind, you do not stop the wheels of the country from turning. The only losers are the people who go on strike, and parents who have to arrange childcare, and with 6 weeks of summer holiday's coming up what difference does another day's holiday make? You can have as many strikes as you want, the only one's losing are yourselves.[/p][/quote]Glad I never worked with you, the word SCAB springs to mind.[/p][/quote]But the bills got paid, and I now have a good standard of living. What did the coal miners achieve?............ ...........no job ..............no more mines. Arthur Scargill now is very rich man with what he made from leading a bunch of donkeys. He never lost any money with the long strikes, and he was "on the fiddle"" anyway with the money of the Coal Miners Union. I would rather be a SCAB than finish up without a job.[/p][/quote]Spineless people like you make me sick,if you know anything about the miners strike it was a personal thing,thatcher getting her own back using uniformed thugs,now jog on you spineless scab,with your views no one would have any rights working in non contract jobs how would you pay your bills then,you spineless jobsworth scab[/p][/quote]Not choosing to defend your mate Mr Scargill then? What about the miner killed on his way to work by people dropping a brick through his car windscreen? Is that the treatment for scabs? TONY WALES
  • Score: 1

10:15am Fri 11 Jul 14

midas says...

not too old to care wrote:
Let's stop swerving the issue by talking about this political claptrap of "regimes, wars and nazis"
I want to talk about binmen.
I pay my Council Tax, Income Tax, National Insurance, VAT, TV Licence, Insurance Policy Tax, Car Tax, Petrol Tax, Alcohol Tax, Cigarette Tax, (delete that, I can't afford cigarettes any more), Energy Tax, Green Planet Tax, etc.
Yet I like many others are at an age who will not have a Private Pension because any spare money that I have earned (that's after buying essentials for me and my family) has gone to paying tax.
So let's stop swishing around in muddy water.
The Bin Men.
They do a good job, an essential job, and for that I respect them but asking me to pay more taxes because they haven't had a pay rise or a pension increase during these difficult times does nothing for me.

What is their gross rate of pay?
How many annual days holiday do they get?
What qualifications do they need to get the job?
What Pension on top of the State Pension can they expect?
What job security do they have?
What sick pay scheme do they benefit from?
What other perks do they enjoy?

Then let them explain why if they are underpaid and overworked they haven't quit their jobs

They may not be the richest but they are a long way away from being the poorest in society and my bin has still not been emptied.

Rubbish you might say. Well I have a lot of that at the moment.
Any guesses what I'd like to do with it ?????
In Burnley, for example, the bins aren't done by the Council but by Veolia so the bin men aren't public sector workers.
[quote][p][bold]not too old to care[/bold] wrote: Let's stop swerving the issue by talking about this political claptrap of "regimes, wars and nazis" I want to talk about binmen. I pay my Council Tax, Income Tax, National Insurance, VAT, TV Licence, Insurance Policy Tax, Car Tax, Petrol Tax, Alcohol Tax, Cigarette Tax, (delete that, I can't afford cigarettes any more), Energy Tax, Green Planet Tax, etc. Yet I like many others are at an age who will not have a Private Pension because any spare money that I have earned (that's after buying essentials for me and my family) has gone to paying tax. So let's stop swishing around in muddy water. The Bin Men. They do a good job, an essential job, and for that I respect them but asking me to pay more taxes because they haven't had a pay rise or a pension increase during these difficult times does nothing for me. What is their gross rate of pay? How many annual days holiday do they get? What qualifications do they need to get the job? What Pension on top of the State Pension can they expect? What job security do they have? What sick pay scheme do they benefit from? What other perks do they enjoy? Then let them explain why if they are underpaid and overworked they haven't quit their jobs They may not be the richest but they are a long way away from being the poorest in society and my bin has still not been emptied. Rubbish you might say. Well I have a lot of that at the moment. Any guesses what I'd like to do with it ?????[/p][/quote]In Burnley, for example, the bins aren't done by the Council but by Veolia so the bin men aren't public sector workers. midas
  • Score: 0
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