Lancashire concerns at private hire taxis shake-up

Burnley and Pendle Citizen: Lancashire concerns at private hire taxis shake-up Lancashire concerns at private hire taxis shake-up

PLANS to cut red tape for taxi and private hire drivers have been slammed by Lancashire’s police and crime commissioner.

Clive Grunshaw has joined forces with a cross-party group of PCCs to highlight the risks associated with the new deregulation bill, which he said could put people in danger of being raped and sexually assaulted.

Only licensed private hire drivers can drive a marked private hire vehicle, and all drivers are regularly re-licensed.

But under the new bill, the government want to allow anyone to drive a private hire vehicle for their own use when the registered driver is not using the vehicle.

Mr Grunshaw said: "Residents need to be able to have confidence that when they get into a marked private hire vehicle the driver is licensed and is who they say they are.

“These new measures put everyone at risk, and with the thriving night-time economy we have in Lancashire, it is not a risk we want to take.

“I know the government does not intend to put people in danger through this bill, but I hope they take notice of the genuine concerns commissioners have."

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2:25pm Tue 24 Jun 14

alf-abett says...

Personally I cannot see where the Government is coming from with this proposal nor I can I understand fully what the proposal is meant to achieve. Is it me!
Personally I cannot see where the Government is coming from with this proposal nor I can I understand fully what the proposal is meant to achieve. Is it me! alf-abett
  • Score: 17

4:20pm Tue 24 Jun 14

shytalk says...

alf-abett wrote:
Personally I cannot see where the Government is coming from with this proposal nor I can I understand fully what the proposal is meant to achieve. Is it me!
No Alf it's not you..Everything this government does is a disaster.
[quote][p][bold]alf-abett[/bold] wrote: Personally I cannot see where the Government is coming from with this proposal nor I can I understand fully what the proposal is meant to achieve. Is it me![/p][/quote]No Alf it's not you..Everything this government does is a disaster. shytalk
  • Score: 13

4:41pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Izanears says...

Another daft idea to add to a very long list of daft ideas. Including the one P&CC's.
Another daft idea to add to a very long list of daft ideas. Including the one P&CC's. Izanears
  • Score: 11

4:53pm Tue 24 Jun 14

mysay.com says...

It is a stupid idea thought up by the law commission which is very much biased towards the private hire side of the taxi trade.

1) they intend to drop the border restrictions for private hire.....this will mean that any private hire firm can take bookings from anywhere in the country and send cars out to them, or have cars sat out of area "waiting for a booking to come in" as they currently do unlawfully and without insurance in whitworth, namely globe jo baxis and tiger from Rochdale, no Rossendale licenses but waiting and picking people up off the street then claiming "they are pre-booked" which we know first hand, is not true, which means these customers are at risk since the driver is not insured.

2) allow only private hire vehicles to be driven by unlicensed drivers when "off duty", why only private hire? but we all know that the only thing that will happen, is when an unlicensed driver is caught at the wheel of a private hire vehicle, they will simply say " I am not working" and get away with it.

these two clauses written into the deregulation bill are highly dangerous, I agree wholeheartedly and will upon request fully support any actions the authorities wish to make on fighting this bill.
It is a stupid idea thought up by the law commission which is very much biased towards the private hire side of the taxi trade. 1) they intend to drop the border restrictions for private hire.....this will mean that any private hire firm can take bookings from anywhere in the country and send cars out to them, or have cars sat out of area "waiting for a booking to come in" as they currently do unlawfully and without insurance in whitworth, namely globe jo baxis and tiger from Rochdale, no Rossendale licenses but waiting and picking people up off the street then claiming "they are pre-booked" which we know first hand, is not true, which means these customers are at risk since the driver is not insured. 2) allow only private hire vehicles to be driven by unlicensed drivers when "off duty", why only private hire? but we all know that the only thing that will happen, is when an unlicensed driver is caught at the wheel of a private hire vehicle, they will simply say " I am not working" and get away with it. these two clauses written into the deregulation bill are highly dangerous, I agree wholeheartedly and will upon request fully support any actions the authorities wish to make on fighting this bill. mysay.com
  • Score: 11

4:56pm Tue 24 Jun 14

mysay.com says...

worth noting though, this has nothing to do with the hackney trade, it is private hire ONLY, like I said, extremely biased.
worth noting though, this has nothing to do with the hackney trade, it is private hire ONLY, like I said, extremely biased. mysay.com
  • Score: 9

7:57pm Tue 24 Jun 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

Typical. Politico screeching "Rape" at the mere thought of less regulation and restriction.
Typical. Politico screeching "Rape" at the mere thought of less regulation and restriction. BuckoTheMoose
  • Score: -3

8:28pm Tue 24 Jun 14

boynesider says...

cant see any rhyme or reason in this deregulation? but the Tories love deregulation and hang the consequences..muppet
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cant see any rhyme or reason in this deregulation? but the Tories love deregulation and hang the consequences..muppet s boynesider
  • Score: 4

8:46pm Tue 24 Jun 14

forever blue and white says...

mysay.com wrote:
worth noting though, this has nothing to do with the hackney trade, it is private hire ONLY, like I said, extremely biased.
Unfortunately it is people like you that comment on stories you have no idea about and come up with completely the wrong answers. The main reason for this idea is as follows. There are a lot of private hire drivers that own there own cars. The problem is that when you are not working you are not allowed or perhaps your wife/husband/partner is not allowed to drive the car. Therefore a probably low income family has to purchase another car and leave the one used for private hire unused on the road. This is being passed to help out families with low incomes simple as that. Nothing at all to do with any other agenda.
[quote][p][bold]mysay.com[/bold] wrote: worth noting though, this has nothing to do with the hackney trade, it is private hire ONLY, like I said, extremely biased.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately it is people like you that comment on stories you have no idea about and come up with completely the wrong answers. The main reason for this idea is as follows. There are a lot of private hire drivers that own there own cars. The problem is that when you are not working you are not allowed or perhaps your wife/husband/partner is not allowed to drive the car. Therefore a probably low income family has to purchase another car and leave the one used for private hire unused on the road. This is being passed to help out families with low incomes simple as that. Nothing at all to do with any other agenda. forever blue and white
  • Score: -8

9:01pm Tue 24 Jun 14

mysay.com says...

forever blue and white wrote:
mysay.com wrote:
worth noting though, this has nothing to do with the hackney trade, it is private hire ONLY, like I said, extremely biased.
Unfortunately it is people like you that comment on stories you have no idea about and come up with completely the wrong answers. The main reason for this idea is as follows. There are a lot of private hire drivers that own there own cars. The problem is that when you are not working you are not allowed or perhaps your wife/husband/partner is not allowed to drive the car. Therefore a probably low income family has to purchase another car and leave the one used for private hire unused on the road. This is being passed to help out families with low incomes simple as that. Nothing at all to do with any other agenda.
spoken like a true private hire driver, who knows nothing about the facts, try reading the comment properly, there are many hackney carriage drivers who own their own cars too and are in exactly the same situation.
just to clarify and correct your post, if you are a licensed driver, you can drive a licensed vehicle, on duty or not, this is about allowing unlicensed drivers to drive a licensed vehicle and again, to repeat, just in case you didn't get it the first 2 times, ONLY private hire, of which there are MANY who already flout the rules and pick up flag (hackney) jobs without pre-bookings and without correct insurance, so why oh why would we think that this would not simply open the floodgates for unlicensed drivers to be running around "off duty" when questioned???
[quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mysay.com[/bold] wrote: worth noting though, this has nothing to do with the hackney trade, it is private hire ONLY, like I said, extremely biased.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately it is people like you that comment on stories you have no idea about and come up with completely the wrong answers. The main reason for this idea is as follows. There are a lot of private hire drivers that own there own cars. The problem is that when you are not working you are not allowed or perhaps your wife/husband/partner is not allowed to drive the car. Therefore a probably low income family has to purchase another car and leave the one used for private hire unused on the road. This is being passed to help out families with low incomes simple as that. Nothing at all to do with any other agenda.[/p][/quote]spoken like a true private hire driver, who knows nothing about the facts, try reading the comment properly, there are many hackney carriage drivers who own their own cars too and are in exactly the same situation. just to clarify and correct your post, if you are a licensed driver, you can drive a licensed vehicle, on duty or not, this is about allowing unlicensed drivers to drive a licensed vehicle and again, to repeat, just in case you didn't get it the first 2 times, ONLY private hire, of which there are MANY who already flout the rules and pick up flag (hackney) jobs without pre-bookings and without correct insurance, so why oh why would we think that this would not simply open the floodgates for unlicensed drivers to be running around "off duty" when questioned??? mysay.com
  • Score: 4

10:06pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Diavlo says...

what about the taxis being used in blackburn on Rossendale and preston licenses plates but blackjburn private hire companys on the doors are they insured to do this working cars with plates from other towns or will they be uninsured
what about the taxis being used in blackburn on Rossendale and preston licenses plates but blackjburn private hire companys on the doors are they insured to do this working cars with plates from other towns or will they be uninsured Diavlo
  • Score: 4

10:30pm Tue 24 Jun 14

mysay.com says...

they are insured because they are licensed as hackney and insured as such, the licensing conditions state that a hackney carriage can be used to carry out a private hire booking, but this does ot work the other way around, a private hire is only insured on a private or "pre-booked" basis and is therefore only insured to carry out private hire jobs.

Having said that, if a hackney carriage from another area is being used as hackney in any area other than where it is licensed (out of town) then this is unlawful and uninsured since it is classed as private hire when out of town.

this is what appears to be happening which is why I said before, there are already too many people breaking the rules without giving them even more scope to have more "loopholes."

Hope this answers your question..
they are insured because they are licensed as hackney and insured as such, the licensing conditions state that a hackney carriage can be used to carry out a private hire booking, but this does ot work the other way around, a private hire is only insured on a private or "pre-booked" basis and is therefore only insured to carry out private hire jobs. Having said that, if a hackney carriage from another area is being used as hackney in any area other than where it is licensed (out of town) then this is unlawful and uninsured since it is classed as private hire when out of town. this is what appears to be happening which is why I said before, there are already too many people breaking the rules without giving them even more scope to have more "loopholes." Hope this answers your question.. mysay.com
  • Score: 4

7:32am Wed 25 Jun 14

jenkinsroy says...

This is a political thing? To get back
At the black cab taxi drivers for the
Strike they had the over day and all
Of London had to walk.
And not forgetting the traffic problem
They made.
They do not care about anybody this
Is just to **** of the black cabs there
Let’s see what the replay will be from the
Black cab driver when they click on to what
The government is doing it cost a big
Sack of money to the government to police
Their strike?
This is a political thing? To get back At the black cab taxi drivers for the Strike they had the over day and all Of London had to walk. And not forgetting the traffic problem They made. They do not care about anybody this Is just to **** of the black cabs there Let’s see what the replay will be from the Black cab driver when they click on to what The government is doing it cost a big Sack of money to the government to police Their strike? jenkinsroy
  • Score: -4

9:36am Wed 25 Jun 14

mysay.com says...

jenkinsroy wrote:
This is a political thing? To get back
At the black cab taxi drivers for the
Strike they had the over day and all
Of London had to walk.
And not forgetting the traffic problem
They made.
They do not care about anybody this
Is just to **** of the black cabs there
Let’s see what the replay will be from the
Black cab driver when they click on to what
The government is doing it cost a big
Sack of money to the government to police
Their strike?
this comment is a case of cart before the horse I am afraid, the strike the taxi drivers had was about this very matter, so it is not to get back at the drivers strike, the strike is in response to this issue since the drivers see the dangers of it.
ALL taxi insurance certificates state (as does any other insurance policy) "as long as that driver holds the relevant license to drive such a vehicle" so basically, the proposal to allow unlicensed drivers to drive an "off duty" private hire vehicle is favouritism, victimisation against hackney drivers AND a clear suggestion to allow drivers to drive with no insurance as the policy would be void.

That is why the drivers went on strike
[quote][p][bold]jenkinsroy[/bold] wrote: This is a political thing? To get back At the black cab taxi drivers for the Strike they had the over day and all Of London had to walk. And not forgetting the traffic problem They made. They do not care about anybody this Is just to **** of the black cabs there Let’s see what the replay will be from the Black cab driver when they click on to what The government is doing it cost a big Sack of money to the government to police Their strike?[/p][/quote]this comment is a case of cart before the horse I am afraid, the strike the taxi drivers had was about this very matter, so it is not to get back at the drivers strike, the strike is in response to this issue since the drivers see the dangers of it. ALL taxi insurance certificates state (as does any other insurance policy) "as long as that driver holds the relevant license to drive such a vehicle" so basically, the proposal to allow unlicensed drivers to drive an "off duty" private hire vehicle is favouritism, victimisation against hackney drivers AND a clear suggestion to allow drivers to drive with no insurance as the policy would be void. That is why the drivers went on strike mysay.com
  • Score: 1

11:37pm Wed 25 Jun 14

StGeorge1000 says...

Bolloks
Bolloks StGeorge1000
  • Score: 0

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