BNP and Lib Dems fail as Labour and UKIP lead in North West

Burnley and Pendle Citizen: UKIP’s Paul Nuttall (second right) celebrates with other party members during the Euro elections count at Manchester Town Hall. UKIP’s Paul Nuttall (second right) celebrates with other party members during the Euro elections count at Manchester Town Hall.

VETERAN Liberal Democrat Chris Davies and British National Party leader Nick Griffin lost their European Parliament seats in elections for the North West declared yesterday.

Both Labour and UKIP secured three Euro-MPs in the region with the Conservatives keeping two including East Lancashire solicitor Sajjad Karim.

Labour topped Thursday’s poll with 594,063 votes, gaining one new MEP, ahead of second-placed UKIP who gained two with 481,932 votes.

The Conservative Party, winners in 2009, was beaten into third place and ended with two seats.

UKIP’s success reflected its national progress and built on a solid showing in the East Lancashire’s local elections where they gained their first two elected councillors in Hyndburn.

UKIP added former Blackburn College student Louise Bours and Steven Woolfe to re-elected deputy leader Paul Nuttall as north west MEPs.

The new regional Labour representatives at the European Parliament are Theresa Griffin, Afzal Khan and Julie Ward who started her career working for the Mid-Pennine Arts Associat-ion in Burnley in 1978.

University lecturer and Burnley borough councillor Wajid Khan failed to make it for Labour. Jacqueline Foster and Sajjad Karim were re-elected for the Conservatives.

The Liberal Democrats had a bad night losing Mr Davies, first elected in 1999, and coming fifth behind the Green Party which also failed to secure a Euro-MP.

Briercliffe Liberal Demo-crat Gordon Lishman failed in his Euro-election bid as well as failing to be re-elected to Burnley Council.

Ms Bours said: “I am absolutely delighted. The result is a massive vindication of our policies.”

Mr Karim, born in Blackburn, educated in Pendle where he established a law practice, and now living in Simonstone, said: “ We have seen a return to reactionary politics and the main parties must reach out.”

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1:08pm Tue 27 May 14

phil kernot says...

About time a outside party got a chance because the rest are useless ,,, can't even get the grass cut round here the councilors can't even get that right ,,,
About time a outside party got a chance because the rest are useless ,,, can't even get the grass cut round here the councilors can't even get that right ,,, phil kernot
  • Score: 20

1:31pm Tue 27 May 14

noddy57 says...

l think the 3 main parties ignored UKIP for far too long and now they finally got the message, this party is a very viable one and can no longer be ridiculed and ignored,Nigel Farage tells it how it is and its refreshing to see,,and U K I P have my support for the general election.
l think the 3 main parties ignored UKIP for far too long and now they finally got the message, this party is a very viable one and can no longer be ridiculed and ignored,Nigel Farage tells it how it is and its refreshing to see,,and U K I P have my support for the general election. noddy57
  • Score: 23

1:33pm Tue 27 May 14

M Foster says...

Never mind, where the BNP has failed (due to a smearing hatchet job against true democracy by the media and corrupt LiLabCon cabal) those of us that want to bring about the necessary political change to save OUR country will achieve it throught UKIP.
Never mind, where the BNP has failed (due to a smearing hatchet job against true democracy by the media and corrupt LiLabCon cabal) those of us that want to bring about the necessary political change to save OUR country will achieve it throught UKIP. M Foster
  • Score: 13

1:56pm Tue 27 May 14

The Fair Word says...

M Foster wrote:
Never mind, where the BNP has failed (due to a smearing hatchet job against true democracy by the media and corrupt LiLabCon cabal) those of us that want to bring about the necessary political change to save OUR country will achieve it throught UKIP.
Good job you clarified that. There I was thinking the BNP failed due to loss of support both internally and externally, poor financial management proven by Nick Griffins bankruptcy and internal politics with members falling out and starting their own party....
[quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: Never mind, where the BNP has failed (due to a smearing hatchet job against true democracy by the media and corrupt LiLabCon cabal) those of us that want to bring about the necessary political change to save OUR country will achieve it throught UKIP.[/p][/quote]Good job you clarified that. There I was thinking the BNP failed due to loss of support both internally and externally, poor financial management proven by Nick Griffins bankruptcy and internal politics with members falling out and starting their own party.... The Fair Word
  • Score: 5

2:38pm Tue 27 May 14

sean_brfc says...

I think the BNP have failed because those with genuine concerns about the level of immigration have realised their voices could be heard by voting UKIP, leaving just the 1% of the country who are racist scum to stick with the BNP.
I think the BNP have failed because those with genuine concerns about the level of immigration have realised their voices could be heard by voting UKIP, leaving just the 1% of the country who are racist scum to stick with the BNP. sean_brfc
  • Score: 14

3:36pm Tue 27 May 14

POW WOW says...

The UKIP stands for everything to do with Europe and immigration the general British public have issues with.They won because they listened to the voters. Until the current major parties change their policies and deliver a referendum in autumn will the UKIP continue to carry on filling deaf ears !!!!!
The UKIP stands for everything to do with Europe and immigration the general British public have issues with.They won because they listened to the voters. Until the current major parties change their policies and deliver a referendum in autumn will the UKIP continue to carry on filling deaf ears !!!!! POW WOW
  • Score: 22

5:02pm Tue 27 May 14

Jack Herer says...

The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP.

Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?
The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP. Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP? Jack Herer
  • Score: -17

5:07pm Tue 27 May 14

Jack Herer says...

noddy57 wrote:
l think the 3 main parties ignored UKIP for far too long and now they finally got the message, this party is a very viable one and can no longer be ridiculed and ignored,Nigel Farage tells it how it is and its refreshing to see,,and U K I P have my support for the general election.
UKIP viable in what way beyond their anti-EU / immigration policy?

I mean, what is UKIP's position on education, the health service, energy, or the economy, for instance?

Do you know anything about UKIP bar what's in their name? Does anyone? Do they?
[quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: l think the 3 main parties ignored UKIP for far too long and now they finally got the message, this party is a very viable one and can no longer be ridiculed and ignored,Nigel Farage tells it how it is and its refreshing to see,,and U K I P have my support for the general election.[/p][/quote]UKIP viable in what way beyond their anti-EU / immigration policy? I mean, what is UKIP's position on education, the health service, energy, or the economy, for instance? Do you know anything about UKIP bar what's in their name? Does anyone? Do they? Jack Herer
  • Score: -18

5:24pm Tue 27 May 14

moxhie says...

UKIP ?

If you want enlightenment about UKIP just think " Milnshaw ward Accrington " .
UKIP ? If you want enlightenment about UKIP just think " Milnshaw ward Accrington " . moxhie
  • Score: 7

6:08pm Tue 27 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

Jack Herer wrote:
The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP.

Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?
Only IMO the BNP are/where a truly racist party, UKIP again IMO gives the truly worried supporter who is genuinely worried about what's happening in our country a chance to vote for a party that has dealt immediately with the racist element in its party, as for the other so called big three how many have been caught stealing (and a lot worse) from us the tax payer in the last 30 plus years.
My point is they are not listening, so I for one gave UKIP my vote and unless the other party's buck up I will do so again.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP. Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?[/p][/quote]Only IMO the BNP are/where a truly racist party, UKIP again IMO gives the truly worried supporter who is genuinely worried about what's happening in our country a chance to vote for a party that has dealt immediately with the racist element in its party, as for the other so called big three how many have been caught stealing (and a lot worse) from us the tax payer in the last 30 plus years. My point is they are not listening, so I for one gave UKIP my vote and unless the other party's buck up I will do so again. Old age pensioner
  • Score: 7

6:32pm Tue 27 May 14

phil kernot says...

Jack Herer wrote:
The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP.

Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?
The difference is britains full no other party can see that that's why the tax payer has had enough and the hard workers of this country ,,,, the only people that are going to miss out on ukips. Policies are the ones that want some thing for nothing , you know the type il have kids be cause I don't want to get a job ,,,
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP. Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?[/p][/quote]The difference is britains full no other party can see that that's why the tax payer has had enough and the hard workers of this country ,,,, the only people that are going to miss out on ukips. Policies are the ones that want some thing for nothing , you know the type il have kids be cause I don't want to get a job ,,, phil kernot
  • Score: 7

6:48pm Tue 27 May 14

abetterblackburn says...

It’s all a very predictable sad affair . . .

UKIP: Popular because the others have already let us down.

New Labour: Still popular because they still call themselves Labour and servive because of biased voting tendencies due to the areas industrial past.

Conservatives: Will always be thought to be the enemy within.

Lib Dems: Buy one get one free!
It’s all a very predictable sad affair . . . UKIP: Popular because the others have already let us down. New Labour: Still popular because they still call themselves Labour and servive because of biased voting tendencies due to the areas industrial past. Conservatives: Will always be thought to be the enemy within. Lib Dems: Buy one get one free! abetterblackburn
  • Score: 6

6:57pm Tue 27 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

abetterblackburn wrote:
It’s all a very predictable sad affair . . .

UKIP: Popular because the others have already let us down.

New Labour: Still popular because they still call themselves Labour and servive because of biased voting tendencies due to the areas industrial past.

Conservatives: Will always be thought to be the enemy within.

Lib Dems: Buy one get one free!
Totally agree, so the question is is it time for a change altogether, are we fed up of them telling us lies after lies, are we fed up of being let down time and time again, I am.
[quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: It’s all a very predictable sad affair . . . UKIP: Popular because the others have already let us down. New Labour: Still popular because they still call themselves Labour and servive because of biased voting tendencies due to the areas industrial past. Conservatives: Will always be thought to be the enemy within. Lib Dems: Buy one get one free![/p][/quote]Totally agree, so the question is is it time for a change altogether, are we fed up of them telling us lies after lies, are we fed up of being let down time and time again, I am. Old age pensioner
  • Score: 4

8:10pm Tue 27 May 14

salvadore says...

UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy.
So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.
UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy. So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles. salvadore
  • Score: -16

9:01pm Tue 27 May 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

I'm overjoyed that the good people of the North West are voting Labour and have the good sense to recognise UKIP for what they truly are a bunch of Nazis in pin stripe suits.
I'm overjoyed that the good people of the North West are voting Labour and have the good sense to recognise UKIP for what they truly are a bunch of Nazis in pin stripe suits. Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: -13

9:26pm Tue 27 May 14

salvadore says...

Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.
Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried. salvadore
  • Score: 0

9:40pm Tue 27 May 14

ste.g says...

← How EU law is made
UK Parliament comes to an effective end
Posted on May 16, 2014 by IanPJ
On the 1st November 2014 the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval. They call it QMV, Qualified Majority Voting.

Each member State will lose it right of Veto over these areas, so Cameron’s idea of negotiation to recover any areas goes out the window at the same time.

The following areas of competence will switch from requiring unanimous approval of all member states to qualified majority voting only:

Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Administrative co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Asylum – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Border controls – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Citizens’ initiative regulations – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Civil protection – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Committee of the Regions – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Common defence policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Crime prevention incentives – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal judicial co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal law – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Culture – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Diplomatic & Consular protection – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Economic & Social Committee – Nice: QMV Lisbon: QMV
Emergency international aid – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Energy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
EU budget – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurojust – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Central Bank – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Court of Justice – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Europol – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurozone external representation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Foreign Affairs High Representative election – Lisbon: QMV
Freedom of movement for workers – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Freedom to establish a business – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon QMV
Freedom, security, justice, co-operation & evaluation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
General economic interest services – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Humanitarian aid – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Immigration – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Intellectual property – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Organisation of the Council of the EU – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Police co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
President of the European Council election – Lisbon: QMV
Response to natural disasters & terrorism – Lisbon: QMV
Rules concerning the Armaments Agency – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Self-employment access rights – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Social Security Unanimity – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Space – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Sport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Structural & Cohension Funds – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Tourism – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Transport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Withdrawal of a member state – Lisbon: QMV

A brief review of the Treaties confirms the Transitional arrangements which allow, only on specific votes, for the Nice Treaty Provisions to apply from 1st November 2014 until March 2017, hence I imagine PM David Cameron’s determination to delay our referendum beyond that date, tying Britain for ever within the non-democratic, totalitarian and now clearly despotic EU.

For your reference, if anyone interested in the Treaty Articles behind this change, here is the legal bit. http://grahnlaw.blog
spot.co.uk/2009/07/e
u-qualified-majority
-voting-qmv.html
← How EU law is made UK Parliament comes to an effective end Posted on May 16, 2014 by IanPJ On the 1st November 2014 the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval. They call it QMV, Qualified Majority Voting. Each member State will lose it right of Veto over these areas, so Cameron’s idea of negotiation to recover any areas goes out the window at the same time. The following areas of competence will switch from requiring unanimous approval of all member states to qualified majority voting only: Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Administrative co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Asylum – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV Border controls – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Citizens’ initiative regulations – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Civil protection – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Committee of the Regions – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Common defence policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Crime prevention incentives – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Criminal judicial co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Criminal law – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Culture – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Diplomatic & Consular protection – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV Economic & Social Committee – Nice: QMV Lisbon: QMV Emergency international aid – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV Energy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV EU budget – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Eurojust – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV European Central Bank – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV European Court of Justice – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Europol – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Eurozone external representation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Foreign Affairs High Representative election – Lisbon: QMV Freedom of movement for workers – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Freedom to establish a business – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon QMV Freedom, security, justice, co-operation & evaluation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV General economic interest services – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Humanitarian aid – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Immigration – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV Intellectual property – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Organisation of the Council of the EU – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Police co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV President of the European Council election – Lisbon: QMV Response to natural disasters & terrorism – Lisbon: QMV Rules concerning the Armaments Agency – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Self-employment access rights – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Social Security Unanimity – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV Space – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Sport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Structural & Cohension Funds – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Tourism – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Transport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Withdrawal of a member state – Lisbon: QMV A brief review of the Treaties confirms the Transitional arrangements which allow, only on specific votes, for the Nice Treaty Provisions to apply from 1st November 2014 until March 2017, hence I imagine PM David Cameron’s determination to delay our referendum beyond that date, tying Britain for ever within the non-democratic, totalitarian and now clearly despotic EU. For your reference, if anyone interested in the Treaty Articles behind this change, here is the legal bit. http://grahnlaw.blog spot.co.uk/2009/07/e u-qualified-majority -voting-qmv.html ste.g
  • Score: -1

9:47pm Tue 27 May 14

salvadore says...

ste.g wrote:
← How EU law is made
UK Parliament comes to an effective end
Posted on May 16, 2014 by IanPJ
On the 1st November 2014 the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval. They call it QMV, Qualified Majority Voting.

Each member State will lose it right of Veto over these areas, so Cameron’s idea of negotiation to recover any areas goes out the window at the same time.

The following areas of competence will switch from requiring unanimous approval of all member states to qualified majority voting only:

Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Administrative co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Asylum – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Border controls – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Citizens’ initiative regulations – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Civil protection – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Committee of the Regions – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Common defence policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Crime prevention incentives – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal judicial co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal law – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Culture – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Diplomatic & Consular protection – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Economic & Social Committee – Nice: QMV Lisbon: QMV
Emergency international aid – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Energy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
EU budget – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurojust – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Central Bank – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Court of Justice – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Europol – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurozone external representation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Foreign Affairs High Representative election – Lisbon: QMV
Freedom of movement for workers – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Freedom to establish a business – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon QMV
Freedom, security, justice, co-operation & evaluation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
General economic interest services – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Humanitarian aid – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Immigration – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Intellectual property – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Organisation of the Council of the EU – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Police co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
President of the European Council election – Lisbon: QMV
Response to natural disasters & terrorism – Lisbon: QMV
Rules concerning the Armaments Agency – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Self-employment access rights – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Social Security Unanimity – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Space – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Sport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Structural & Cohension Funds – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Tourism – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Transport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Withdrawal of a member state – Lisbon: QMV

A brief review of the Treaties confirms the Transitional arrangements which allow, only on specific votes, for the Nice Treaty Provisions to apply from 1st November 2014 until March 2017, hence I imagine PM David Cameron’s determination to delay our referendum beyond that date, tying Britain for ever within the non-democratic, totalitarian and now clearly despotic EU.

For your reference, if anyone interested in the Treaty Articles behind this change, here is the legal bit. http://grahnlaw.blog

spot.co.uk/2009/07/e

u-qualified-majority

-voting-qmv.html
Is that why British business want to stay in the EU. Not being in EU will hurt jobs, who are the xenephobes going to blame then. If we are out of EU then we are trading with EU against their rules without a say.
[quote][p][bold]ste.g[/bold] wrote: ← How EU law is made UK Parliament comes to an effective end Posted on May 16, 2014 by IanPJ On the 1st November 2014 the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval. They call it QMV, Qualified Majority Voting. Each member State will lose it right of Veto over these areas, so Cameron’s idea of negotiation to recover any areas goes out the window at the same time. The following areas of competence will switch from requiring unanimous approval of all member states to qualified majority voting only: Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Administrative co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Asylum – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV Border controls – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Citizens’ initiative regulations – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Civil protection – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Committee of the Regions – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Common defence policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Crime prevention incentives – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Criminal judicial co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Criminal law – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Culture – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Diplomatic & Consular protection – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV Economic & Social Committee – Nice: QMV Lisbon: QMV Emergency international aid – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV Energy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV EU budget – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Eurojust – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV European Central Bank – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV European Court of Justice – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Europol – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Eurozone external representation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Foreign Affairs High Representative election – Lisbon: QMV Freedom of movement for workers – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Freedom to establish a business – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon QMV Freedom, security, justice, co-operation & evaluation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV General economic interest services – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Humanitarian aid – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Immigration – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV Intellectual property – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Organisation of the Council of the EU – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Police co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV President of the European Council election – Lisbon: QMV Response to natural disasters & terrorism – Lisbon: QMV Rules concerning the Armaments Agency – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Self-employment access rights – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Social Security Unanimity – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV Space – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Sport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Structural & Cohension Funds – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Tourism – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Transport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV Withdrawal of a member state – Lisbon: QMV A brief review of the Treaties confirms the Transitional arrangements which allow, only on specific votes, for the Nice Treaty Provisions to apply from 1st November 2014 until March 2017, hence I imagine PM David Cameron’s determination to delay our referendum beyond that date, tying Britain for ever within the non-democratic, totalitarian and now clearly despotic EU. For your reference, if anyone interested in the Treaty Articles behind this change, here is the legal bit. http://grahnlaw.blog spot.co.uk/2009/07/e u-qualified-majority -voting-qmv.html[/p][/quote]Is that why British business want to stay in the EU. Not being in EU will hurt jobs, who are the xenephobes going to blame then. If we are out of EU then we are trading with EU against their rules without a say. salvadore
  • Score: 4

10:10pm Tue 27 May 14

POW WOW says...

salvadore wrote:
UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy.
So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.
If it takes an hypocrite to get us out of the EU so be it !!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy. So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.[/p][/quote]If it takes an hypocrite to get us out of the EU so be it !!!!!!!!!!!! POW WOW
  • Score: 3

10:34pm Tue 27 May 14

salvadore says...

POW WOW wrote:
salvadore wrote:
UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy.
So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.
If it takes an hypocrite to get us out of the EU so be it !!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah but it won't the overwhelming members of EU are pro Europe. It would be a mistake to get out if Europe it will cost jobs. Yes control immigration from Europe and don't let this country become a benefit magnet but no to getting out of Europe. This would be the most patriotic position.
[quote][p][bold]POW WOW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy. So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.[/p][/quote]If it takes an hypocrite to get us out of the EU so be it !!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ah but it won't the overwhelming members of EU are pro Europe. It would be a mistake to get out if Europe it will cost jobs. Yes control immigration from Europe and don't let this country become a benefit magnet but no to getting out of Europe. This would be the most patriotic position. salvadore
  • Score: 1

11:18pm Tue 27 May 14

Steven11 says...

Old age pensioner wrote:
Jack Herer wrote:
The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP.

Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?
Only IMO the BNP are/where a truly racist party, UKIP again IMO gives the truly worried supporter who is genuinely worried about what's happening in our country a chance to vote for a party that has dealt immediately with the racist element in its party, as for the other so called big three how many have been caught stealing (and a lot worse) from us the tax payer in the last 30 plus years.
My point is they are not listening, so I for one gave UKIP my vote and unless the other party's buck up I will do so again.
Well said , I couldn't agree with you more .
[quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP. Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?[/p][/quote]Only IMO the BNP are/where a truly racist party, UKIP again IMO gives the truly worried supporter who is genuinely worried about what's happening in our country a chance to vote for a party that has dealt immediately with the racist element in its party, as for the other so called big three how many have been caught stealing (and a lot worse) from us the tax payer in the last 30 plus years. My point is they are not listening, so I for one gave UKIP my vote and unless the other party's buck up I will do so again.[/p][/quote]Well said , I couldn't agree with you more . Steven11
  • Score: 0

11:38pm Tue 27 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

salvadore wrote:
Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.
Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all.
In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating.
Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people.
I await your sensible reply!!
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.[/p][/quote]Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all. In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating. Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people. I await your sensible reply!! Old age pensioner
  • Score: 2

11:40pm Tue 27 May 14

salvadore says...

Steven11 wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
Jack Herer wrote:
The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP.

Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?
Only IMO the BNP are/where a truly racist party, UKIP again IMO gives the truly worried supporter who is genuinely worried about what's happening in our country a chance to vote for a party that has dealt immediately with the racist element in its party, as for the other so called big three how many have been caught stealing (and a lot worse) from us the tax payer in the last 30 plus years.
My point is they are not listening, so I for one gave UKIP my vote and unless the other party's buck up I will do so again.
Well said , I couldn't agree with you more .
Did you know farage and his other MEPs after the last EU elections 2009 hardly went to EU parliament yet they're still earnt over £200000 per year.
[quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: The good news for BNP supporters is that its been given a posh name, a pin-striped suit, and re-badged as UKIP. Genuine question, but what really is the difference between UKIP and the BNP?[/p][/quote]Only IMO the BNP are/where a truly racist party, UKIP again IMO gives the truly worried supporter who is genuinely worried about what's happening in our country a chance to vote for a party that has dealt immediately with the racist element in its party, as for the other so called big three how many have been caught stealing (and a lot worse) from us the tax payer in the last 30 plus years. My point is they are not listening, so I for one gave UKIP my vote and unless the other party's buck up I will do so again.[/p][/quote]Well said , I couldn't agree with you more .[/p][/quote]Did you know farage and his other MEPs after the last EU elections 2009 hardly went to EU parliament yet they're still earnt over £200000 per year. salvadore
  • Score: -2

11:59pm Tue 27 May 14

BIG BOSS says...

salvadore wrote:
UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy.
So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.
If it takes an hypocrite to get us out of the EU so be it !!!!!!!!!!!!Ah but it won't the overwhelming members of EU are pro Europe. It would be a mistake to get out if Europe it will cost jobs. Yes control immigration from Europe and don't let this country become a benefit magnet but no to getting out of Europe. This would be the most patriotic position.


According to Nick Clegg, it would cost us 3 million jobs, According to the 23 billion, spent, of the Tax payers money in the EU, that would equal a lot more jobs, if this money was to be flooded into this Country, with great infrastructure and places of beauty being built or restored every year, just think, how many millions of jobs and tourism this would bring, to these shores. That is why I want out of Europe.!!!
salvadore wrote: UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy. So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles. If it takes an hypocrite to get us out of the EU so be it !!!!!!!!!!!!Ah but it won't the overwhelming members of EU are pro Europe. It would be a mistake to get out if Europe it will cost jobs. Yes control immigration from Europe and don't let this country become a benefit magnet but no to getting out of Europe. This would be the most patriotic position. According to Nick Clegg, it would cost us 3 million jobs, According to the 23 billion, spent, of the Tax payers money in the EU, that would equal a lot more jobs, if this money was to be flooded into this Country, with great infrastructure and places of beauty being built or restored every year, just think, how many millions of jobs and tourism this would bring, to these shores. That is why I want out of Europe.!!! BIG BOSS
  • Score: 5

8:43am Wed 28 May 14

caballo says...

Jack Herer wrote:
noddy57 wrote: l think the 3 main parties ignored UKIP for far too long and now they finally got the message, this party is a very viable one and can no longer be ridiculed and ignored,Nigel Farage tells it how it is and its refreshing to see,,and U K I P have my support for the general election.
UKIP viable in what way beyond their anti-EU / immigration policy? I mean, what is UKIP's position on education, the health service, energy, or the economy, for instance? Do you know anything about UKIP bar what's in their name? Does anyone? Do they?
Just out of curiosity Jack, how many other opposition parties have a clear manifesto mid term?
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: l think the 3 main parties ignored UKIP for far too long and now they finally got the message, this party is a very viable one and can no longer be ridiculed and ignored,Nigel Farage tells it how it is and its refreshing to see,,and U K I P have my support for the general election.[/p][/quote]UKIP viable in what way beyond their anti-EU / immigration policy? I mean, what is UKIP's position on education, the health service, energy, or the economy, for instance? Do you know anything about UKIP bar what's in their name? Does anyone? Do they?[/p][/quote]Just out of curiosity Jack, how many other opposition parties have a clear manifesto mid term? caballo
  • Score: 4

11:38am Wed 28 May 14

Jack Herer says...

caballo wrote:
Jack Herer wrote:
noddy57 wrote: l think the 3 main parties ignored UKIP for far too long and now they finally got the message, this party is a very viable one and can no longer be ridiculed and ignored,Nigel Farage tells it how it is and its refreshing to see,,and U K I P have my support for the general election.
UKIP viable in what way beyond their anti-EU / immigration policy? I mean, what is UKIP's position on education, the health service, energy, or the economy, for instance? Do you know anything about UKIP bar what's in their name? Does anyone? Do they?
Just out of curiosity Jack, how many other opposition parties have a clear manifesto mid term?
Mid-term?

We're less than a year off the general election.

It would be nice therefore to have an inkling at other areas of policy.

Otherwise, UKIP will be rightly labelled as a one trick pony.
[quote][p][bold]caballo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: l think the 3 main parties ignored UKIP for far too long and now they finally got the message, this party is a very viable one and can no longer be ridiculed and ignored,Nigel Farage tells it how it is and its refreshing to see,,and U K I P have my support for the general election.[/p][/quote]UKIP viable in what way beyond their anti-EU / immigration policy? I mean, what is UKIP's position on education, the health service, energy, or the economy, for instance? Do you know anything about UKIP bar what's in their name? Does anyone? Do they?[/p][/quote]Just out of curiosity Jack, how many other opposition parties have a clear manifesto mid term?[/p][/quote]Mid-term? We're less than a year off the general election. It would be nice therefore to have an inkling at other areas of policy. Otherwise, UKIP will be rightly labelled as a one trick pony. Jack Herer
  • Score: -4

4:32pm Wed 28 May 14

salvadore says...

Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.
Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all.
In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating.
Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people.
I await your sensible reply!!
The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.
[quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.[/p][/quote]Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all. In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating. Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people. I await your sensible reply!![/p][/quote]The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it. salvadore
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Wed 28 May 14

salvadore says...

BIG BOSS wrote:
salvadore wrote:
UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy.
So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.
If it takes an hypocrite to get us out of the EU so be it !!!!!!!!!!!!Ah but it won't the overwhelming members of EU are pro Europe. It would be a mistake to get out if Europe it will cost jobs. Yes control immigration from Europe and don't let this country become a benefit magnet but no to getting out of Europe. This would be the most patriotic position.


According to Nick Clegg, it would cost us 3 million jobs, According to the 23 billion, spent, of the Tax payers money in the EU, that would equal a lot more jobs, if this money was to be flooded into this Country, with great infrastructure and places of beauty being built or restored every year, just think, how many millions of jobs and tourism this would bring, to these shores. That is why I want out of Europe.!!!
If we left EU, our exports to EU would become more expensive. We would be dealing with EU according to their rules without a say. This would cost jobs,over 40% of out trade is with the EU. Do you think the EU would let us carry on without any consequences if we left. International companies would leave and base themselves in EU country. They would rather have a market with over 450 million people than to one that has 60 million to sell to. We loose jobs, GDP would go down we would have to borrow more money, we will be in more debt. More austerity etc go get a economics lesson.
[quote][p][bold]BIG BOSS[/bold] wrote: salvadore wrote: UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy. So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles. If it takes an hypocrite to get us out of the EU so be it !!!!!!!!!!!!Ah but it won't the overwhelming members of EU are pro Europe. It would be a mistake to get out if Europe it will cost jobs. Yes control immigration from Europe and don't let this country become a benefit magnet but no to getting out of Europe. This would be the most patriotic position. According to Nick Clegg, it would cost us 3 million jobs, According to the 23 billion, spent, of the Tax payers money in the EU, that would equal a lot more jobs, if this money was to be flooded into this Country, with great infrastructure and places of beauty being built or restored every year, just think, how many millions of jobs and tourism this would bring, to these shores. That is why I want out of Europe.!!![/p][/quote]If we left EU, our exports to EU would become more expensive. We would be dealing with EU according to their rules without a say. This would cost jobs,over 40% of out trade is with the EU. Do you think the EU would let us carry on without any consequences if we left. International companies would leave and base themselves in EU country. They would rather have a market with over 450 million people than to one that has 60 million to sell to. We loose jobs, GDP would go down we would have to borrow more money, we will be in more debt. More austerity etc go get a economics lesson. salvadore
  • Score: -1

4:39pm Wed 28 May 14

mrs peach says...

salvadore wrote:
UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy.
So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.
All MEPs get the same "expenses" how they spend it is up to them, some like to spend in on wining and dining, UKIP use the money to fight their cause, which is to get out of the EU, if they were funded by the media, big business,unions and the EU, they would not need to do this,but, they certainly do not take it for personal gain, UKIP members also put some of their OWN money into the party, their "principles" are with the British people. I hope you feel the same after the next influx of 800 immigrants that are being turfed out of France because they have an outbreak of Scabies, a very contagious disease , and they ALL want to come here, they may even live near you and your family.
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy. So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.[/p][/quote]All MEPs get the same "expenses" how they spend it is up to them, some like to spend in on wining and dining, UKIP use the money to fight their cause, which is to get out of the EU, if they were funded by the media, big business,unions and the EU, they would not need to do this,but, they certainly do not take it for personal gain, UKIP members also put some of their OWN money into the party, their "principles" are with the British people. I hope you feel the same after the next influx of 800 immigrants that are being turfed out of France because they have an outbreak of Scabies, a very contagious disease , and they ALL want to come here, they may even live near you and your family. mrs peach
  • Score: 2

5:06pm Wed 28 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

salvadore wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.
Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all.
In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating.
Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people.
I await your sensible reply!!
The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.
Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs

WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man.
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.[/p][/quote]Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all. In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating. Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people. I await your sensible reply!![/p][/quote]The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.[/p][/quote]Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man. Old age pensioner
  • Score: 1

5:35pm Wed 28 May 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58
wrote:
I'm overjoyed that the good people of the North West are voting Labour and have the good sense to recognise UKIP for what they truly are a bunch of Nazis in pin stripe suits.
I see this sites Fascists have been busy cheating with the Voting again, I really don't care. The real people in the North West have spoken your Nazi games mean nothing to me :)
[quote][p][bold]Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58[/bold] wrote: I'm overjoyed that the good people of the North West are voting Labour and have the good sense to recognise UKIP for what they truly are a bunch of Nazis in pin stripe suits.[/p][/quote]I see this sites Fascists have been busy cheating with the Voting again, I really don't care. The real people in the North West have spoken your Nazi games mean nothing to me :) Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: -3

6:27pm Wed 28 May 14

salvadore says...

mrs peach wrote:
salvadore wrote:
UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy.
So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.
All MEPs get the same "expenses" how they spend it is up to them, some like to spend in on wining and dining, UKIP use the money to fight their cause, which is to get out of the EU, if they were funded by the media, big business,unions and the EU, they would not need to do this,but, they certainly do not take it for personal gain, UKIP members also put some of their OWN money into the party, their "principles" are with the British people. I hope you feel the same after the next influx of 800 immigrants that are being turfed out of France because they have an outbreak of Scabies, a very contagious disease , and they ALL want to come here, they may even live near you and your family.
Listen I've said if you read my comments that immigration Should be controlled. I actually like the Tories idea that immigrants from economies the same as Britain should only be allowed free movement from the EU.
You miss the point farage and co are paid to represent people on Europe yet they hardly turned up. That is a complete misuse of EU tax payers money. They have no influence bcos the majority of EU parliament is pro eu. It's better being in the mix to shape EU so it's better for is all. We benefit from free movement fee health care etc from Europe too.
[quote][p][bold]mrs peach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: UKIP are hypocrites they don't like the EU but will take EU tax payers for their MEPs. £180k plus expenses, if they're so principled don't take the salary. By voting EU we all lost, no influence EU because it's still overwhelmingly pro Europe. UKIP no good for business in EU, no good for jobs, no good for this countries economy. So everyone let's all shout to UKIP 'no EU no salary' come on UKIP supporters. Where's your principles.[/p][/quote]All MEPs get the same "expenses" how they spend it is up to them, some like to spend in on wining and dining, UKIP use the money to fight their cause, which is to get out of the EU, if they were funded by the media, big business,unions and the EU, they would not need to do this,but, they certainly do not take it for personal gain, UKIP members also put some of their OWN money into the party, their "principles" are with the British people. I hope you feel the same after the next influx of 800 immigrants that are being turfed out of France because they have an outbreak of Scabies, a very contagious disease , and they ALL want to come here, they may even live near you and your family.[/p][/quote]Listen I've said if you read my comments that immigration Should be controlled. I actually like the Tories idea that immigrants from economies the same as Britain should only be allowed free movement from the EU. You miss the point farage and co are paid to represent people on Europe yet they hardly turned up. That is a complete misuse of EU tax payers money. They have no influence bcos the majority of EU parliament is pro eu. It's better being in the mix to shape EU so it's better for is all. We benefit from free movement fee health care etc from Europe too. salvadore
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Wed 28 May 14

salvadore says...

Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.
Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all.
In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating.
Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people.
I await your sensible reply!!
The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.
Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs

WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man.
I said people like you I didn't say you did say they're taking out jobs. You're bothered about the NHS, schools.
[quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.[/p][/quote]Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all. In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating. Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people. I await your sensible reply!![/p][/quote]The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.[/p][/quote]Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man.[/p][/quote]I said people like you I didn't say you did say they're taking out jobs. You're bothered about the NHS, schools. salvadore
  • Score: -1

6:54pm Wed 28 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

salvadore wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.
Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all.
In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating.
Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people.
I await your sensible reply!!
The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.
Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs

WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man.
I said people like you I didn't say you did say they're taking out jobs. You're bothered about the NHS, schools.
Don't back track now, people like Old Age Pensioner say!!! Indicating I would say this, I suggest an apology is needed or are you not man enough!!
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.[/p][/quote]Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all. In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating. Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people. I await your sensible reply!![/p][/quote]The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.[/p][/quote]Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man.[/p][/quote]I said people like you I didn't say you did say they're taking out jobs. You're bothered about the NHS, schools.[/p][/quote]Don't back track now, people like Old Age Pensioner say!!! Indicating I would say this, I suggest an apology is needed or are you not man enough!! Old age pensioner
  • Score: 1

8:20pm Wed 28 May 14

salvadore says...

Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.
Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all.
In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating.
Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people.
I await your sensible reply!!
The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.
Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs

WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man.
I said people like you I didn't say you did say they're taking out jobs. You're bothered about the NHS, schools.
Don't back track now, people like Old Age Pensioner say!!! Indicating I would say this, I suggest an apology is needed or are you not man enough!!
You didn't say the words but you were complaining about the NHS etc, it implicates you'd be worried in many ways rightly about people's jobs been taken by immigrants. But if that's not the case I apologise sincerely.
[quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.[/p][/quote]Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all. In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating. Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people. I await your sensible reply!![/p][/quote]The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.[/p][/quote]Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man.[/p][/quote]I said people like you I didn't say you did say they're taking out jobs. You're bothered about the NHS, schools.[/p][/quote]Don't back track now, people like Old Age Pensioner say!!! Indicating I would say this, I suggest an apology is needed or are you not man enough!![/p][/quote]You didn't say the words but you were complaining about the NHS etc, it implicates you'd be worried in many ways rightly about people's jobs been taken by immigrants. But if that's not the case I apologise sincerely. salvadore
  • Score: 0

10:19pm Wed 28 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

salvadore wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
salvadore wrote:
Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.
Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all.
In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating.
Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people.
I await your sensible reply!!
The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.
Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs

WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man.
I said people like you I didn't say you did say they're taking out jobs. You're bothered about the NHS, schools.
Don't back track now, people like Old Age Pensioner say!!! Indicating I would say this, I suggest an apology is needed or are you not man enough!!
You didn't say the words but you were complaining about the NHS etc, it implicates you'd be worried in many ways rightly about people's jobs been taken by immigrants. But if that's not the case I apologise sincerely.
Thanks for that Salvadore, going back to UKIP I to see it as a protest vote but these votes are gaining momentum all over Europe, ordinary people IMO are just saying they have had enough.
Our country is basically a small island and again IMO our infrastructure cannot keep excepting all these people whether they are black, white, pink or blue, as previously stated our NHS is under enough pressure now, it can't cope with our own people never mind thousand more.
We haven't enough houses or schools, as far as the Jobs situation is concerned our economy is getting better and hopefully our two million unemployed can now get jobs, there my thoughts anyway.
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: Here we go again old age pensioner and co will keep on pressing negatives on comments which disagree with his view. He likes playing silly games, it's still doesn't get away from the fact that UKIP will have MEPs that will be claiming £180000 + expenses per year eventhough they want out of EU. If they're that principled about the cost of EU on this country why don't they refuse their salary or give it to charity. They won't and the worst part is they will have no influence in the European Parliament as it's full off pro Europeans. Look at farage and Co's record since the last EU elections they hardly attended EU parliament yet claimed their salary. The same will happen again, their xenophobic views will come through all minorities be worried.[/p][/quote]Salvadore, where do I press negatives? Where do I play silly games? I put forward my opinion, just because you don't like it you start name calling says it all. In this country we can still have an opinion or a debate with out name calling, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, as far as claiming the salary is concerned our three main party's are claiming theres and what are they doing for it? You also put negatives in your comments, which party do you support, come on then we can debate there failings, but no you just do what you do best, name calling NOT debating. Try sharing your views with others, your party, what do you think of thousands of immigrants coming over here overcrowding our NHS and schools, never mind the ones that are just coming for better benefits, we are a small island and we just can't keep taking more and more people. I await your sensible reply!![/p][/quote]The three parties atleast will have similar parties from Europe who they can vote with an influence change. UKIP will be sidelined, it is a matter of principle they don't like EU don't take the salary. Farage and co hardly attended any debates in the EU parliament yet got paid nearly £250k. People like old age pensioner say immigrants are taking our jobs yet the unemployment rate is falling to pre 2009 levels. Yes there should be a curb on benefits for immigrants until they paid in to the system. We also benefit from few health care in Europe, we don't need health insurance. The benefits of EU. You're a xenephobe and this not name calling this is a fact. Your British empire has long gone get over it.[/p][/quote]Old age pensioner says immigrants are taking our jobs WHERE did I say that, your making things up AGAIN Salvadore, where's your proof I'm a xenophobe, you haven't got any, your just lying again, I feel sorry for people like you who go around making things up, grow up man.[/p][/quote]I said people like you I didn't say you did say they're taking out jobs. You're bothered about the NHS, schools.[/p][/quote]Don't back track now, people like Old Age Pensioner say!!! Indicating I would say this, I suggest an apology is needed or are you not man enough!![/p][/quote]You didn't say the words but you were complaining about the NHS etc, it implicates you'd be worried in many ways rightly about people's jobs been taken by immigrants. But if that's not the case I apologise sincerely.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that Salvadore, going back to UKIP I to see it as a protest vote but these votes are gaining momentum all over Europe, ordinary people IMO are just saying they have had enough. Our country is basically a small island and again IMO our infrastructure cannot keep excepting all these people whether they are black, white, pink or blue, as previously stated our NHS is under enough pressure now, it can't cope with our own people never mind thousand more. We haven't enough houses or schools, as far as the Jobs situation is concerned our economy is getting better and hopefully our two million unemployed can now get jobs, there my thoughts anyway. Old age pensioner
  • Score: 2

12:13am Thu 29 May 14

Steven11 says...

All of the voters can't be wrong !
All of the voters can't be wrong ! Steven11
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Thu 29 May 14

salvadore says...

Steven11 wrote:
All of the voters can't be wrong !
All 27% of them 73% didn't vote for them
[quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: All of the voters can't be wrong ![/p][/quote]All 27% of them 73% didn't vote for them salvadore
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