East Lancs feels brunt of new bedroom tax

Burnley and Pendle Citizen: East Lancs feels brunt of new bedroom tax East Lancs feels brunt of new bedroom tax

HOUSEHOLDS in East Lancashire are among the hardest hit in the North West by the bedroom tax.

One year on from its implementation, numbers of people paying the spare room subsidy was expected to decline, as residents downsized to avoid payment.

Nationally the number of tenants paying the subsidy has decreased by15 per cent, meaning 85 per cent of people are still being hit.

Blackburn reflected the national trend, with numbers having declined by 15.4 per cent. In Hyndburn numbers had fallen by 18.7 per cent. But in the Ribble Valley and Rossendale the overwhelming majority of people are still paying the subsidy.

The Ribble Valley has only seen a decline of 8.1 per cent, the third smallest decrease in the region, while Rossendale has seen the smallest decrease in the North West, at just 1.8 per cent.

Rossendale’s Labour parliamentary candidate said this was down to a lack of available smaller housing for people to move into. Will Straw said: “These shocking figures show how the bedroom tax is failing as a policy.

“It’s not doing what it intended to and is placing a huge financial burden of hundreds of people in Rossendale.

“Labour has said it will scrap the bedroom tax because it’s unfair, unworkable and ultimately likely to cost more to implement than it will save.

“Of course we need to try to get welfare costs under control, but this is not the way to do it.”

But Rossendale’ Conservative MP Jake Berry defended the policy. He said: “Labour left our welfare system in a complete and utter mess. We have had to take some tough decisions but I believe they were the right ones.

“Reforming housing benefit was absolutely necessary to get to grips with the problems of overcrowding in social housing.

“Over 350,000 people in the UK live in overcrowded homes.

“I’ve spoken to a number of parents in the Valley who want to move to a bigger house, but can’t.

“So they are stuck having to share rooms with their with children in cramped accommodation whilst others live in houses that have more bedrooms than they need.

“Labour let the housing benefit bill spiral completely out of control. It would have reached an unbelievable £26billion by 2015.

“It isn’t fair to ask families that work hard and do the right thing to pay for spare bedrooms for people that don’t need them.”

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6:11pm Fri 2 May 14

wilddog says...

Conservative MP Jake Berry defended the policy. He said: “Labour left our welfare system in a complete and utter mess. We have had to take some tough decisions but I believe they were the right ones.

How does that work then? Please explain?your funded by the tax payer and handsomely yet you poop on the poor man? Do you have spare rooms? If so, can i rent one please? Would you like a stranger to rent a room from you and while doing so, lose your benefits for having a lodger? Ok, ya dont like that idea... So you have a spare room and you wont be penalized but 1000,s are and thats ok? Why did this government not ensure that there were enough 1 bedroom places available for people to downsize into before implementing this death tax? I call it death tax as you will be jobless soon looking at the sorry state we are in. I would love to downsize and i work for a living so i aint penalized but, i do have a spare bedroom i dont want, Should i then be penalized for saying so? Stop giving our money away to other countries and put the people of great britain first coz thats wot your therefore! To serve OUR BEST INTERESTS and not other countries...........
................but ya wont
Conservative MP Jake Berry defended the policy. He said: “Labour left our welfare system in a complete and utter mess. We have had to take some tough decisions but I believe they were the right ones. How does that work then? Please explain?your funded by the tax payer and handsomely yet you poop on the poor man? Do you have spare rooms? If so, can i rent one please? Would you like a stranger to rent a room from you and while doing so, lose your benefits for having a lodger? Ok, ya dont like that idea... So you have a spare room and you wont be penalized but 1000,s are and thats ok? Why did this government not ensure that there were enough 1 bedroom places available for people to downsize into before implementing this death tax? I call it death tax as you will be jobless soon looking at the sorry state we are in. I would love to downsize and i work for a living so i aint penalized but, i do have a spare bedroom i dont want, Should i then be penalized for saying so? Stop giving our money away to other countries and put the people of great britain first coz thats wot your therefore! To serve OUR BEST INTERESTS and not other countries........... ................but ya wont wilddog
  • Score: 27

7:01pm Fri 2 May 14

boynesider says...

it was the Tories who moved a lot of people onto disability allowance to manipulate the unemployment figures.it was the Tories who sold off council housing stock and failed to replace them.we are in for a massive migration from London Boroughs as the benefit cap kicks in.benefit applicants are being told to move north to save money.London is an overpriced slum,i lived and worked there for 3 years .but when the workers move out who is going to mop up after the "elite".happened in Rio and that's how you get favelas.
it was the Tories who moved a lot of people onto disability allowance to manipulate the unemployment figures.it was the Tories who sold off council housing stock and failed to replace them.we are in for a massive migration from London Boroughs as the benefit cap kicks in.benefit applicants are being told to move north to save money.London is an overpriced slum,i lived and worked there for 3 years .but when the workers move out who is going to mop up after the "elite".happened in Rio and that's how you get favelas. boynesider
  • Score: 22

9:38pm Fri 2 May 14

workaholic says...

You can only solve a problem by providing a solution.
SORRY YOU FAILED !!!
You can only solve a problem by providing a solution. SORRY YOU FAILED !!! workaholic
  • Score: 6

9:46pm Fri 2 May 14

jenkinsroy says...

well I re-cone we should all vote labour in the may elections
why they are closer to the working man the poor and old than any
party out here conservatives rich and do not give a toss about us
/lib dem hangers on just here for the money and a paid job do not
think for them self s there are just yes we will cut all service to help your
party David our master and sod they resident's of our county's we work
for the lib dem in waterside colne cannot be bothered with us here I have been trying to keep our toilet open in the bus station here I asked ALL
SORTS OF QUESTIONS THEY GOT FED UP WITH ME NOW I COLLECT
THE INFORMATION BY MY SELF SO I FOR ONE WILL NOT BE VOTING THEM BACK IN AGAIN.
well I re-cone we should all vote labour in the may elections why they are closer to the working man the poor and old than any party out here conservatives rich and do not give a toss about us /lib dem hangers on just here for the money and a paid job do not think for them self s there are just yes we will cut all service to help your party David our master and sod they resident's of our county's we work for the lib dem in waterside colne cannot be bothered with us here I have been trying to keep our toilet open in the bus station here I asked ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS THEY GOT FED UP WITH ME NOW I COLLECT THE INFORMATION BY MY SELF SO I FOR ONE WILL NOT BE VOTING THEM BACK IN AGAIN. jenkinsroy
  • Score: -5

10:01pm Fri 2 May 14

Rumpole says...

There wouldn't be a shortage of housing if we closed our borders and stopped immigration!

Also cap rents across the board and stop private landlords with tenants on benefits from charging more than social housing.
There wouldn't be a shortage of housing if we closed our borders and stopped immigration! Also cap rents across the board and stop private landlords with tenants on benefits from charging more than social housing. Rumpole
  • Score: 24

11:38pm Fri 2 May 14

Professor Plum says...

Rumpole wrote:
There wouldn't be a shortage of housing if we closed our borders and stopped immigration!

Also cap rents across the board and stop private landlords with tenants on benefits from charging more than social housing.
Why should private landlords be expected to subsidise those on benefits by aligning rents to those of social housing? Social landlords after all do not make a profit.
It’s hunting season on private landlords again, fuelled by the genius Milliband. The more you try to control rents in the private sector, the less housing will be available as investors will leave the market. It’s no good putting solutions forward unless you understand the economics of the rental sector. Private landlords operate in a competitive market and the market controls the rents.
[quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: There wouldn't be a shortage of housing if we closed our borders and stopped immigration! Also cap rents across the board and stop private landlords with tenants on benefits from charging more than social housing.[/p][/quote]Why should private landlords be expected to subsidise those on benefits by aligning rents to those of social housing? Social landlords after all do not make a profit. It’s hunting season on private landlords again, fuelled by the genius Milliband. The more you try to control rents in the private sector, the less housing will be available as investors will leave the market. It’s no good putting solutions forward unless you understand the economics of the rental sector. Private landlords operate in a competitive market and the market controls the rents. Professor Plum
  • Score: -2

12:13am Sat 3 May 14

fireonthemountain says...

Interesting as always .
Permit me to give two sides of the coin .

My Auntie Hilda lived in a large house in a Yorkshire
mining town .Council House . Mum and Dad (my Grandparents) and their
twelve - repeat 12- children . Fast forward fifty (50) years .

Only Auntie Hilda in residence - Grandparents passed away
and all other kids married and gone . Aunt H was eventually
forcibly relocated to a one-bedroomed hole . She died soon after .
This was in 1998 .

OK - our house - large three bedroomed - we would love to downsize .
But we can't . This would be ideal for a family with a few kiddies .
It certainly needs a bit of work - time to upgrade the bathroom for a start .

What's the problem , I hear you say ?

Easy - we own it . yes all those years of paying off the mortgage .
To move would cost us - solicitor and estate agents . Removals .

So we stay .

There is something so wrong here .

Bedroom Tax ? - no such thing - beloved soundbite of
people like Will Straw . Labour voters would vote for a
dead cat in the road as long as it was painted red .

Jake Berry is right - though I agree that giving away billions to
other nations is utterly ridiculous .

This needs sorted .

Opinions are , as always , welcomed .

Have a good Bank Holiday Weekend .
Interesting as always . Permit me to give two sides of the coin . My Auntie Hilda lived in a large house in a Yorkshire mining town .Council House . Mum and Dad (my Grandparents) and their twelve - repeat 12- children . Fast forward fifty (50) years . Only Auntie Hilda in residence - Grandparents passed away and all other kids married and gone . Aunt H was eventually forcibly relocated to a one-bedroomed hole . She died soon after . This was in 1998 . OK - our house - large three bedroomed - we would love to downsize . But we can't . This would be ideal for a family with a few kiddies . It certainly needs a bit of work - time to upgrade the bathroom for a start . What's the problem , I hear you say ? Easy - we own it . yes all those years of paying off the mortgage . To move would cost us - solicitor and estate agents . Removals . So we stay . There is something so wrong here . Bedroom Tax ? - no such thing - beloved soundbite of people like Will Straw . Labour voters would vote for a dead cat in the road as long as it was painted red . Jake Berry is right - though I agree that giving away billions to other nations is utterly ridiculous . This needs sorted . Opinions are , as always , welcomed . Have a good Bank Holiday Weekend . fireonthemountain
  • Score: 3

1:12am Sat 3 May 14

Rumpole says...

Professor Plum wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
There wouldn't be a shortage of housing if we closed our borders and stopped immigration!

Also cap rents across the board and stop private landlords with tenants on benefits from charging more than social housing.
Why should private landlords be expected to subsidise those on benefits by aligning rents to those of social housing? Social landlords after all do not make a profit.
It’s hunting season on private landlords again, fuelled by the genius Milliband. The more you try to control rents in the private sector, the less housing will be available as investors will leave the market. It’s no good putting solutions forward unless you understand the economics of the rental sector. Private landlords operate in a competitive market and the market controls the rents.
If investors were to leave the market then maybe mortgage companies wouldn't be so fast to repossess to enable these landlords to buy up houses on the cheap at the expense of hardworking people that just happen to lose their jobs through the manipulation of the economy by the banks!

I fully understand the rental sector from both sides of the argument and due to the greed of the landlords to make a profit you have people living in substandard accommodation that has had as little money spent on the general maintenance as possible which leads to a drop in house prices around the rented ones when they are forced to sell due to the scum landlords allow in their properties without any supervision unless they miss paying the rent.

Maybe it is time the government was to allow people that own their houses, and lose their jobs, to claim housing benefit to cover their mortgage instead of letting them be repossessed and having their rent paid to a private landlord, which do you think would be the cheaper option?

The mortgage market is one big pyramid selling scheme where the mortgage companies control the value of houses on the market, they control who can get a mortgage and they manipulate the markets so that they have a steady stream of customers to sell a mortgage to.

The government needs to clamp down on the banks but we all know they haven't got the balls to do that so we all have to suffer.
[quote][p][bold]Professor Plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: There wouldn't be a shortage of housing if we closed our borders and stopped immigration! Also cap rents across the board and stop private landlords with tenants on benefits from charging more than social housing.[/p][/quote]Why should private landlords be expected to subsidise those on benefits by aligning rents to those of social housing? Social landlords after all do not make a profit. It’s hunting season on private landlords again, fuelled by the genius Milliband. The more you try to control rents in the private sector, the less housing will be available as investors will leave the market. It’s no good putting solutions forward unless you understand the economics of the rental sector. Private landlords operate in a competitive market and the market controls the rents.[/p][/quote]If investors were to leave the market then maybe mortgage companies wouldn't be so fast to repossess to enable these landlords to buy up houses on the cheap at the expense of hardworking people that just happen to lose their jobs through the manipulation of the economy by the banks! I fully understand the rental sector from both sides of the argument and due to the greed of the landlords to make a profit you have people living in substandard accommodation that has had as little money spent on the general maintenance as possible which leads to a drop in house prices around the rented ones when they are forced to sell due to the scum landlords allow in their properties without any supervision unless they miss paying the rent. Maybe it is time the government was to allow people that own their houses, and lose their jobs, to claim housing benefit to cover their mortgage instead of letting them be repossessed and having their rent paid to a private landlord, which do you think would be the cheaper option? The mortgage market is one big pyramid selling scheme where the mortgage companies control the value of houses on the market, they control who can get a mortgage and they manipulate the markets so that they have a steady stream of customers to sell a mortgage to. The government needs to clamp down on the banks but we all know they haven't got the balls to do that so we all have to suffer. Rumpole
  • Score: 12

6:53am Sat 3 May 14

Loving lances says...

Labour care only about the lazy, feckless, gormless and ignorant. They encouraged immigration of unqualified people from
the Indian sub-continent who brought over their whole extended families.
Time to limit child benefit to one per family, to vet social housing tenants to exclude problem families and to have a range of accommodation so that families can be moved when needed.
Labour care only about the lazy, feckless, gormless and ignorant. They encouraged immigration of unqualified people from the Indian sub-continent who brought over their whole extended families. Time to limit child benefit to one per family, to vet social housing tenants to exclude problem families and to have a range of accommodation so that families can be moved when needed. Loving lances
  • Score: 3

7:05am Sat 3 May 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

I am in full time employment so bedroom tax doesn't affect me and I'm also not here to say if I agree or not.

What I will say is when I moved I found it impossible to find a one bedroom place, it's just me here and I have a bedroom currently used for drying clothes! I searched for a few month before giving in and taking a two bedroom property.

Bedroom tax or no bedroom tax they do need more one bedroom places!
I am in full time employment so bedroom tax doesn't affect me and I'm also not here to say if I agree or not. What I will say is when I moved I found it impossible to find a one bedroom place, it's just me here and I have a bedroom currently used for drying clothes! I searched for a few month before giving in and taking a two bedroom property. Bedroom tax or no bedroom tax they do need more one bedroom places! HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 19

9:38am Sat 3 May 14

past it says...

jenkinsroy wrote:
well I re-cone we should all vote labour in the may elections
why they are closer to the working man the poor and old than any
party out here conservatives rich and do not give a toss about us
/lib dem hangers on just here for the money and a paid job do not
think for them self s there are just yes we will cut all service to help your
party David our master and sod they resident's of our county's we work
for the lib dem in waterside colne cannot be bothered with us here I have been trying to keep our toilet open in the bus station here I asked ALL
SORTS OF QUESTIONS THEY GOT FED UP WITH ME NOW I COLLECT
THE INFORMATION BY MY SELF SO I FOR ONE WILL NOT BE VOTING THEM BACK IN AGAIN.
Having deciphered your post can you please answer this, Labour took 1.8 Billion out of working persons pensions, in effect they ruined the working persons pension system and stole mine and many others retirement funds, Labour also sold off our gold reserves for a pittance, and left the country on the brink of collapse and bankruptcy, do you really want Labour in power again, I for one hope and prey they they never see power again. And the question is why vote Labour.
[quote][p][bold]jenkinsroy[/bold] wrote: well I re-cone we should all vote labour in the may elections why they are closer to the working man the poor and old than any party out here conservatives rich and do not give a toss about us /lib dem hangers on just here for the money and a paid job do not think for them self s there are just yes we will cut all service to help your party David our master and sod they resident's of our county's we work for the lib dem in waterside colne cannot be bothered with us here I have been trying to keep our toilet open in the bus station here I asked ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS THEY GOT FED UP WITH ME NOW I COLLECT THE INFORMATION BY MY SELF SO I FOR ONE WILL NOT BE VOTING THEM BACK IN AGAIN.[/p][/quote]Having deciphered your post can you please answer this, Labour took 1.8 Billion out of working persons pensions, in effect they ruined the working persons pension system and stole mine and many others retirement funds, Labour also sold off our gold reserves for a pittance, and left the country on the brink of collapse and bankruptcy, do you really want Labour in power again, I for one hope and prey they they never see power again. And the question is why vote Labour. past it
  • Score: 6

11:13am Sat 3 May 14

jenkinsroy says...

past it wrote:
jenkinsroy wrote:
well I re-cone we should all vote labour in the may elections
why they are closer to the working man the poor and old than any
party out here conservatives rich and do not give a toss about us
/lib dem hangers on just here for the money and a paid job do not
think for them self s there are just yes we will cut all service to help your
party David our master and sod they resident's of our county's we work
for the lib dem in waterside colne cannot be bothered with us here I have been trying to keep our toilet open in the bus station here I asked ALL
SORTS OF QUESTIONS THEY GOT FED UP WITH ME NOW I COLLECT
THE INFORMATION BY MY SELF SO I FOR ONE WILL NOT BE VOTING THEM BACK IN AGAIN.
Having deciphered your post can you please answer this, Labour took 1.8 Billion out of working persons pensions, in effect they ruined the working persons pension system and stole mine and many others retirement funds, Labour also sold off our gold reserves for a pittance, and left the country on the brink of collapse and bankruptcy, do you really want Labour in power again, I for one hope and prey they they never see power again. And the question is why vote Labour.
hi hear your words but I think this government are out to kill off
our country and leave it to the LABOUR PARTY to put back on track.
as for the persons pensions if I was you keep an eye on the banks
because before the next election they will put up the interest rates
and all the pension that are in force will be taken by this government to
keep them a float that is why they have chained the rules on pension
now not to help you .?
no just to take your money and use it for there benefits and when you try to get it back they will tell you . you must read the small print that say
what ever the put in the wording to you insurances company
and as for the collapse of our county by LABOUR it was the rich playing
silly buggers with the bank in the E.U. AND THE U.S.A. and trying to
under mind the system so the bank in the U.S.A. TOOK ALL THERE
MONEY BACK BEFORE ALL THE SHARER FELL THIS IS HOW WE IN THIS COUNTY GOT THE BLACK HOLE NOT Labour why you say because they had no money to spend .?
them in government now are trying to do it a gain NOW playing silly buggers again this time they will have the money you/mine/and every
pension pot going wherever you work or not the state pension will
also be used to line there pockets before they go in 2015 .
IF I was you do what I do and ask questions of this government
and get some information under the freedom of information act
and do a bit of home work and you will then understand what this government is truly up to I have and I can see where they are going
so why do you not Wright to No 10 I have an ask for the information
you will then understand my comments better till then
have a nice day
[quote][p][bold]past it[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jenkinsroy[/bold] wrote: well I re-cone we should all vote labour in the may elections why they are closer to the working man the poor and old than any party out here conservatives rich and do not give a toss about us /lib dem hangers on just here for the money and a paid job do not think for them self s there are just yes we will cut all service to help your party David our master and sod they resident's of our county's we work for the lib dem in waterside colne cannot be bothered with us here I have been trying to keep our toilet open in the bus station here I asked ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS THEY GOT FED UP WITH ME NOW I COLLECT THE INFORMATION BY MY SELF SO I FOR ONE WILL NOT BE VOTING THEM BACK IN AGAIN.[/p][/quote]Having deciphered your post can you please answer this, Labour took 1.8 Billion out of working persons pensions, in effect they ruined the working persons pension system and stole mine and many others retirement funds, Labour also sold off our gold reserves for a pittance, and left the country on the brink of collapse and bankruptcy, do you really want Labour in power again, I for one hope and prey they they never see power again. And the question is why vote Labour.[/p][/quote]hi hear your words but I think this government are out to kill off our country and leave it to the LABOUR PARTY to put back on track. as for the persons pensions if I was you keep an eye on the banks because before the next election they will put up the interest rates and all the pension that are in force will be taken by this government to keep them a float that is why they have chained the rules on pension now not to help you .? no just to take your money and use it for there benefits and when you try to get it back they will tell you . you must read the small print that say what ever the put in the wording to you insurances company and as for the collapse of our county by LABOUR it was the rich playing silly buggers with the bank in the E.U. AND THE U.S.A. and trying to under mind the system so the bank in the U.S.A. TOOK ALL THERE MONEY BACK BEFORE ALL THE SHARER FELL THIS IS HOW WE IN THIS COUNTY GOT THE BLACK HOLE NOT Labour why you say because they had no money to spend .? them in government now are trying to do it a gain NOW playing silly buggers again this time they will have the money you/mine/and every pension pot going wherever you work or not the state pension will also be used to line there pockets before they go in 2015 . IF I was you do what I do and ask questions of this government and get some information under the freedom of information act and do a bit of home work and you will then understand what this government is truly up to I have and I can see where they are going so why do you not Wright to No 10 I have an ask for the information you will then understand my comments better till then have a nice day jenkinsroy
  • Score: 0

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