North West MEP calls for balance in alcohol prices

North West MEP calls for balance in alcohol prices

North West MEP calls for balance in alcohol prices

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NEW figures showing Britain has lost 10,000 pubs in a decade have sparked a call for tax changes to boost the ‘local’.

North West Euro-MP Paul Nuttall warned: “Sadly more will close especially if tax and costs keep rising.” In August the Lancashire Telegraph revealed the scale of pub closures across East Lancashire. with dozens closing their doors for good.

One fifth of Blackburn locals called time in 2012, among the worst rates in the country. UKIP deputy leader Mr Nuttall said: “In the North West alone, where nearly 20,000 jobs depend on the region's 14 breweries and 1049 pubs, four a week are closing.

"It cannot be right that supermarkets pay 1.5p in tax on a pint of beer yet pubs pay 15p.

"The pub trade has always been a vital component in community life but it has been steadily eroded over the last ten years. Pubs are being treated unfairly by the financial levies imposed on it and this situation needs to be addressed urgently.

"The government should be helping ease their financial burden and guaranteeing a level playing field so that supermarkets do not have an unfair advantage with cut price booze prices.”

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9:19pm Tue 25 Feb 14

notac says...

There's a thing when 70% of the borough dont drink alchohol - whats next Sherlock...!
There's a thing when 70% of the borough dont drink alchohol - whats next Sherlock...! notac
  • Score: 0

9:46pm Tue 25 Feb 14

happycyclist says...

The biggest problem is the big breweries/companies that own the pubs and want to squeeze every last penny out of landlords in rent and by tying them to brewery sales. They're wrecking their own industry. And we need look no further than Thwaites for a good example. High rents, then when nobody can make a living, sell the buildings with covenants preventing anyone from having a go independently. The industry is full of moronic 'managers' and accountants.
The biggest problem is the big breweries/companies that own the pubs and want to squeeze every last penny out of landlords in rent and by tying them to brewery sales. They're wrecking their own industry. And we need look no further than Thwaites for a good example. High rents, then when nobody can make a living, sell the buildings with covenants preventing anyone from having a go independently. The industry is full of moronic 'managers' and accountants. happycyclist
  • Score: 9

10:01pm Tue 25 Feb 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

I go to the pub less for a number of reasons (this is just my personal experience).

A. It's just too expensive with increased prices and increased cost of living.
B. I can't smoke in the warm.
C. Supermarkets are cheaper and suit my wallet better.
D. People who do still go out 'pre load' because of point A and point C and end up being drunken fools.
E. My nearest 3 locals have closed, so a taxi costs more too.

Unless someone can find a miracle cure for all 5 points then sadly I assume the damage is already done in my eyes and for my situation.
I go to the pub less for a number of reasons (this is just my personal experience). A. It's just too expensive with increased prices and increased cost of living. B. I can't smoke in the warm. C. Supermarkets are cheaper and suit my wallet better. D. People who do still go out 'pre load' because of point A and point C and end up being drunken fools. E. My nearest 3 locals have closed, so a taxi costs more too. Unless someone can find a miracle cure for all 5 points then sadly I assume the damage is already done in my eyes and for my situation. HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 9

10:05pm Tue 25 Feb 14

mavrick says...

The big breweries are operating a cartel in any other language. where else can you sell a building and say you can't continue a business from that premises. I thought that was the job of the planning authority? The government needs to look closely at this monoply. but will they risk losing the donations.
The big breweries are operating a cartel in any other language. where else can you sell a building and say you can't continue a business from that premises. I thought that was the job of the planning authority? The government needs to look closely at this monoply. but will they risk losing the donations. mavrick
  • Score: 4

11:12pm Tue 25 Feb 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

And yet, they ban the smokers and yet, the smokers now find out that they can buy beer at the fraction of the cost and smoke at home! Sad story!
And yet, they ban the smokers and yet, the smokers now find out that they can buy beer at the fraction of the cost and smoke at home! Sad story! DoggydogNo1
  • Score: 1

7:58am Wed 26 Feb 14

AnthonyUK says...

If I ran a brewery with a pub estate then it would be a case of where somebody does well the rents won't increase as a result and I would allow them to go where they like for their beer cider wines and spirits etc rather than have a rule that they have to purchase from the brewery's own suppliers in order to keep bar prices down.
If I ran a brewery with a pub estate then it would be a case of where somebody does well the rents won't increase as a result and I would allow them to go where they like for their beer cider wines and spirits etc rather than have a rule that they have to purchase from the brewery's own suppliers in order to keep bar prices down. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 1

8:54am Wed 26 Feb 14

ChrisDeBerg says...

mavrick wrote:
The big breweries are operating a cartel in any other language. where else can you sell a building and say you can't continue a business from that premises. I thought that was the job of the planning authority? The government needs to look closely at this monoply. but will they risk losing the donations.
This is something I have been saying for a while now! How can the government allow breweries to put it in the deeds of the pub sale so that it can never trade as a pub once sold? This is why Blackburn's night life has dwindled into the worst in Lancashire!!

So basically, the government allow the breweries to do this with the buildings and then charge 1000% tax on a pint in a pub over a pint can of beer in a supermarket?!? Do they want our country to all become alcoholics?!!!!!

I can sort of see where the breweries are coming from (from a financial business perspective)... They're making millions through the supermarkets in mass production, yet a pub down road that they own is making them about £500ish a week, although they could sell it and get £250,000 - £500,000 in one swoop for it? Anyone with any business knowledge would do the same thing for their business!! BUT I LIKE GOING TO THE PUB TO SOCIALISE!!

Who will stand up to the government/pub regulation body though?
[quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: The big breweries are operating a cartel in any other language. where else can you sell a building and say you can't continue a business from that premises. I thought that was the job of the planning authority? The government needs to look closely at this monoply. but will they risk losing the donations.[/p][/quote]This is something I have been saying for a while now! How can the government allow breweries to put it in the deeds of the pub sale so that it can never trade as a pub once sold? This is why Blackburn's night life has dwindled into the worst in Lancashire!! So basically, the government allow the breweries to do this with the buildings and then charge 1000% tax on a pint in a pub over a pint can of beer in a supermarket?!? Do they want our country to all become alcoholics?!!!!! I can sort of see where the breweries are coming from (from a financial business perspective)... They're making millions through the supermarkets in mass production, yet a pub down road that they own is making them about £500ish a week, although they could sell it and get £250,000 - £500,000 in one swoop for it? Anyone with any business knowledge would do the same thing for their business!! BUT I LIKE GOING TO THE PUB TO SOCIALISE!! Who will stand up to the government/pub regulation body though? ChrisDeBerg
  • Score: 4

10:03am Wed 26 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

HelmshoreMan2010 wrote:
I go to the pub less for a number of reasons (this is just my personal experience).

A. It's just too expensive with increased prices and increased cost of living.
B. I can't smoke in the warm.
C. Supermarkets are cheaper and suit my wallet better.
D. People who do still go out 'pre load' because of point A and point C and end up being drunken fools.
E. My nearest 3 locals have closed, so a taxi costs more too.

Unless someone can find a miracle cure for all 5 points then sadly I assume the damage is already done in my eyes and for my situation.
In response -

A. Drink less then. This will be better for your health, and means that the breweries/pubcos won't seel as much beer. Revenues will drop, prices will have to follow suit.
B. The vast majority of the British public don't smoke, and probably don't want to sit in your second-hand fug. Having worked in pubs and clubs for many years, I find them a lot pleasanter without. Mind you, if you want to risk emphesaema, lung cancer, bad breath, rotting teeth and all the other hazards that smoking causes, that's fine by me. Just don't start screaming when the NHS can't sure you, and expect everybody to feel sorry.
C. Fine if you can stomach the pish that they sell.
D. Nothing like a sweeping generalisation to start the day, eh? I don't drink at home, I go out. I don't preload. I go to meet my mates, have a few pints and then go home. I might be merry when I go home, I might not be, but I resent the implication that ALL people who go out to drink preload and are drunken fools.
E. Try walking, it might do you some good. Assuming you're not going to claim limited mobility. In which case, use the Magic Beer Scooter on the way home...
[quote][p][bold]HelmshoreMan2010[/bold] wrote: I go to the pub less for a number of reasons (this is just my personal experience). A. It's just too expensive with increased prices and increased cost of living. B. I can't smoke in the warm. C. Supermarkets are cheaper and suit my wallet better. D. People who do still go out 'pre load' because of point A and point C and end up being drunken fools. E. My nearest 3 locals have closed, so a taxi costs more too. Unless someone can find a miracle cure for all 5 points then sadly I assume the damage is already done in my eyes and for my situation.[/p][/quote]In response - A. Drink less then. This will be better for your health, and means that the breweries/pubcos won't seel as much beer. Revenues will drop, prices will have to follow suit. B. The vast majority of the British public don't smoke, and probably don't want to sit in your second-hand fug. Having worked in pubs and clubs for many years, I find them a lot pleasanter without. Mind you, if you want to risk emphesaema, lung cancer, bad breath, rotting teeth and all the other hazards that smoking causes, that's fine by me. Just don't start screaming when the NHS can't sure you, and expect everybody to feel sorry. C. Fine if you can stomach the pish that they sell. D. Nothing like a sweeping generalisation to start the day, eh? I don't drink at home, I go out. I don't preload. I go to meet my mates, have a few pints and then go home. I might be merry when I go home, I might not be, but I resent the implication that ALL people who go out to drink preload and are drunken fools. E. Try walking, it might do you some good. Assuming you're not going to claim limited mobility. In which case, use the Magic Beer Scooter on the way home... rudis_dad
  • Score: -6

10:29am Wed 26 Feb 14

Malthus says...

Very sanctimonious rudis_dad.
Very sanctimonious rudis_dad. Malthus
  • Score: 3

11:03am Wed 26 Feb 14

burner says...

. . . " NEW data has shown the North West has the highest rate of alcohol-related deaths in England. " . . . . and this doesn't bother drinkers ?????
. . . " NEW data has shown the North West has the highest rate of alcohol-related deaths in England. " . . . . and this doesn't bother drinkers ????? burner
  • Score: 0

11:24am Wed 26 Feb 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

rudis_dad wrote:
HelmshoreMan2010 wrote:
I go to the pub less for a number of reasons (this is just my personal experience).

A. It's just too expensive with increased prices and increased cost of living.
B. I can't smoke in the warm.
C. Supermarkets are cheaper and suit my wallet better.
D. People who do still go out 'pre load' because of point A and point C and end up being drunken fools.
E. My nearest 3 locals have closed, so a taxi costs more too.

Unless someone can find a miracle cure for all 5 points then sadly I assume the damage is already done in my eyes and for my situation.
In response -

A. Drink less then. This will be better for your health, and means that the breweries/pubcos won't seel as much beer. Revenues will drop, prices will have to follow suit.
B. The vast majority of the British public don't smoke, and probably don't want to sit in your second-hand fug. Having worked in pubs and clubs for many years, I find them a lot pleasanter without. Mind you, if you want to risk emphesaema, lung cancer, bad breath, rotting teeth and all the other hazards that smoking causes, that's fine by me. Just don't start screaming when the NHS can't sure you, and expect everybody to feel sorry.
C. Fine if you can stomach the pish that they sell.
D. Nothing like a sweeping generalisation to start the day, eh? I don't drink at home, I go out. I don't preload. I go to meet my mates, have a few pints and then go home. I might be merry when I go home, I might not be, but I resent the implication that ALL people who go out to drink preload and are drunken fools.
E. Try walking, it might do you some good. Assuming you're not going to claim limited mobility. In which case, use the Magic Beer Scooter on the way home...
I appreciate these comments and don't think they should be negative voted, as I said my post is my opinion and this is yours so fair play.

One thing I will chip in with though, I work 49 hours a week to keep my roof over my head so no magical mobility scooter for me :)
[quote][p][bold]rudis_dad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HelmshoreMan2010[/bold] wrote: I go to the pub less for a number of reasons (this is just my personal experience). A. It's just too expensive with increased prices and increased cost of living. B. I can't smoke in the warm. C. Supermarkets are cheaper and suit my wallet better. D. People who do still go out 'pre load' because of point A and point C and end up being drunken fools. E. My nearest 3 locals have closed, so a taxi costs more too. Unless someone can find a miracle cure for all 5 points then sadly I assume the damage is already done in my eyes and for my situation.[/p][/quote]In response - A. Drink less then. This will be better for your health, and means that the breweries/pubcos won't seel as much beer. Revenues will drop, prices will have to follow suit. B. The vast majority of the British public don't smoke, and probably don't want to sit in your second-hand fug. Having worked in pubs and clubs for many years, I find them a lot pleasanter without. Mind you, if you want to risk emphesaema, lung cancer, bad breath, rotting teeth and all the other hazards that smoking causes, that's fine by me. Just don't start screaming when the NHS can't sure you, and expect everybody to feel sorry. C. Fine if you can stomach the pish that they sell. D. Nothing like a sweeping generalisation to start the day, eh? I don't drink at home, I go out. I don't preload. I go to meet my mates, have a few pints and then go home. I might be merry when I go home, I might not be, but I resent the implication that ALL people who go out to drink preload and are drunken fools. E. Try walking, it might do you some good. Assuming you're not going to claim limited mobility. In which case, use the Magic Beer Scooter on the way home...[/p][/quote]I appreciate these comments and don't think they should be negative voted, as I said my post is my opinion and this is yours so fair play. One thing I will chip in with though, I work 49 hours a week to keep my roof over my head so no magical mobility scooter for me :) HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 4

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