MP Gordon Birtwistle slams BBC documentary for being ‘anti-Burnley’

MP Gordon Birtwistle slams BBC documentary for being ‘anti-Burnley’

MP Gordon Birtwistle slams BBC documentary for being ‘anti-Burnley’

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BURNLEY’S MP has slammed a fly-on-the-wall documentary which highlighted the town’s proliferation of pound shops.

Pound Shop Wars focused on the competition between three discount retailers at Charter Walk Shopping Centre.

But Gordon Birtwistle said the BBC, which aired the programme on Thursday, was ‘anti-Burnley’.

Actress Caroline Aherne narrated the show, which followed Poundworld’s chief executive Chris Edwards as the company launched a £1 bra.

Several scenes concentrated on issues at Poundworld’s Burnley store, including charismatic deputy manager Ian Gilbert.

But Mr Birtwistle said he was disappointed at how the show, the first of four episodes, depicted the town which was last year named as the most enterprising in the UK.

He said: “The BBC are anti-Burnley, so if the BBC was showing a programme about Burnley I would anticipate it would not be good. I told them about all the major improvements the town has made and they didn’t want to know.

“I tell them about our enterprise award, the new urgent care centre, the investment for our business parks and they are not interested. I proposed a real programme about real apprentices and they ignored that too.

“Whatever the BBC does, I treat with the contempt it deserves.

“If people don’t wish to use pound shops they won’t survive. If they do use them, they will. They create employment and fill units that would otherwise be empty.

“It does not surprise me in the slightest. Maybe the chief executive of the BBC had a bad pint in Burnley once.”

At one point in the programme, Miss Aherne explained to viewers how the competition in Charter Walk between Poundworld, Poundland and 99p Stores had led to some jobs being lost.

She said: “In Burnley, they’re right next door. It’s not just 99p Stores they’re fighting – Poundland’s also in the same shopping centre. As competition has grown, staff numbers have been cut.”

Mr Gilbert, who has worked at the store since it opened in August 2012, told the programme: “Basically when we first opened it was a blank chequebook. We had 20 or 30 staff working doing up to 40 hours a week but obviously we can’t sustain that.”

He added: “If we haven’t got the right offers and the right range at the right time, where we’re situated, the customers can just turn around, walk out, and go elsewhere.

“It is a cut-throat business out there. We are, I suppose, pirates on the high sea.”

And manager Geoff Heathcote said: “Nobody can afford to lose any business whatsoever and that’s why we work so hard. We’ve got to do all we can to survive.”

Brian Hobbs, president of Burnley's Chamber of Trade, said he took no issue with the programme.

He said: “It’s a successful business offering in the town. Pound shops are a big part of business in this town and if they are successful then why not highlight that?”

Chris Gribben, centre manager at Charter Walk, said the documentary was filmed over a number of months last year.

He said: “Obviously one of the reasons the film-makers chose Charter Walk was because Poundworld and 99p Stores are both here and adjacent to each other.”

Reaction to the show on social media was mixed.

Becky Birchall, from Burnley, said sarcastically: “Burnley on TV for having loads of pound stores...fantastic,” while Keiran James said: “Trashy Pound Wars programme on BBC, of course it's in Burnley.”

But Julie Knight said: “Loving the assistant manager at the Burnley Poundworld store - cracking!” and Jenny Couch added: “Poundworld programme...hilarious! Gotta love Burnley!”

No-one from the BBC was available to comment yesterday.

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7:53am Sat 8 Feb 14

happycyclist says...

Gordon Birtwistle said, “Whatever the BBC does, I treat with the contempt it deserves."
Well, Gordon, it's about time you realised that majority of the British public feel like that about you and the bunch of freeloading, self-serving, treacherous, hypocrites in Parliament.
Gordon Birtwistle said, “Whatever the BBC does, I treat with the contempt it deserves." Well, Gordon, it's about time you realised that majority of the British public feel like that about you and the bunch of freeloading, self-serving, treacherous, hypocrites in Parliament. happycyclist
  • Score: 48

8:37am Sat 8 Feb 14

DaveBurnley says...

The BBC management seems to be a highly paid group of unemployable upper class twits, who have carved themselves a comfortable sinecure from our compulsory licenses.
The BBC management seems to be a highly paid group of unemployable upper class twits, who have carved themselves a comfortable sinecure from our compulsory licenses. DaveBurnley
  • Score: 19

9:17am Sat 8 Feb 14

Manuel Hung says...

happycyclist wrote:
Gordon Birtwistle said, “Whatever the BBC does, I treat with the contempt it deserves."
Well, Gordon, it's about time you realised that majority of the British public feel like that about you and the bunch of freeloading, self-serving, treacherous, hypocrites in Parliament.
Just Google the 'They work for you' web site to find out how well your local MP is performing. Mr Birtwhistle scores below average in most areas.

The last time I mentioned this the comment was later removed. I wonder why?
[quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: Gordon Birtwistle said, “Whatever the BBC does, I treat with the contempt it deserves." Well, Gordon, it's about time you realised that majority of the British public feel like that about you and the bunch of freeloading, self-serving, treacherous, hypocrites in Parliament.[/p][/quote]Just Google the 'They work for you' web site to find out how well your local MP is performing. Mr Birtwhistle scores below average in most areas. The last time I mentioned this the comment was later removed. I wonder why? Manuel Hung
  • Score: 27

9:18am Sat 8 Feb 14

jim 2012 says...

you should try living on the somerset levels right now
you would have something to moan about
put a sock in it
you should try living on the somerset levels right now you would have something to moan about put a sock in it jim 2012
  • Score: 6

9:41am Sat 8 Feb 14

shytalk says...

Burnley. Dingles. Enough said.
Burnley. Dingles. Enough said. shytalk
  • Score: -13

10:02am Sat 8 Feb 14

Steven Seagull says...

shytalk wrote:
Burnley. Dingles. Enough said.
As opposed to the meth heads getting popped up on horse tranquilisers round Blackburn.

Blackburn folk and horses. No surprise there. Enough said.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: Burnley. Dingles. Enough said.[/p][/quote]As opposed to the meth heads getting popped up on horse tranquilisers round Blackburn. Blackburn folk and horses. No surprise there. Enough said. Steven Seagull
  • Score: 9

10:03am Sat 8 Feb 14

Manuel Hung says...

jim 2012 wrote:
you should try living on the somerset levels right now
you would have something to moan about
put a sock in it
And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria.

Moron!
[quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: you should try living on the somerset levels right now you would have something to moan about put a sock in it[/p][/quote]And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria. Moron! Manuel Hung
  • Score: 1

10:13am Sat 8 Feb 14

P58 :) says...

The show didn't show Burnley in a bad light. The majority of people who watched it will have at least two or three discount/ pound shops in their local town centre whether that town's in the south east or the north west. People aren't ignorant to the fact that pound shops exist, all towns have them not just Burnley.
The show didn't show Burnley in a bad light. The majority of people who watched it will have at least two or three discount/ pound shops in their local town centre whether that town's in the south east or the north west. People aren't ignorant to the fact that pound shops exist, all towns have them not just Burnley. P58 :)
  • Score: 27

11:14am Sat 8 Feb 14

shytalk says...

Steven Seagull wrote:
shytalk wrote:
Burnley. Dingles. Enough said.
As opposed to the meth heads getting popped up on horse tranquilisers round Blackburn.

Blackburn folk and horses. No surprise there. Enough said.
No argument
[quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: Burnley. Dingles. Enough said.[/p][/quote]As opposed to the meth heads getting popped up on horse tranquilisers round Blackburn. Blackburn folk and horses. No surprise there. Enough said.[/p][/quote]No argument shytalk
  • Score: 3

11:15am Sat 8 Feb 14

DaveBurnley says...

shytalk wrote:
Burnley. Dingles. Enough said.
Did it excite you making a pathetic dig at Burnley?


It's good to see that some folk get pleasure from little things.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: Burnley. Dingles. Enough said.[/p][/quote]Did it excite you making a pathetic dig at Burnley? It's good to see that some folk get pleasure from little things. DaveBurnley
  • Score: 8

12:27pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Interocitor says...

“Whatever the BBC does, I treat with the contempt it deserves."

You've finally jumped the shark, Mr Birtwistle. You're starting to sound like some bumbling old Tory. Your comments here will do you more harm than good. The mask has slipped.
[i]“Whatever the BBC does, I treat with the contempt it deserves." [/i] You've finally jumped the shark, Mr Birtwistle. You're starting to sound like some bumbling old Tory. Your comments here will do you more harm than good. The mask has slipped. Interocitor
  • Score: 12

12:59pm Sat 8 Feb 14

noddy57 says...

you can never have enough of pound shops in Burnley the best one is Turf Moor,
you can never have enough of pound shops in Burnley the best one is Turf Moor, noddy57
  • Score: -4

1:14pm Sat 8 Feb 14

jim 2012 says...

Manuel Hung wrote:
jim 2012 wrote:
you should try living on the somerset levels right now
you would have something to moan about
put a sock in it
And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria.

Moron!
put a sock in it
[quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: you should try living on the somerset levels right now you would have something to moan about put a sock in it[/p][/quote]And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria. Moron![/p][/quote]put a sock in it jim 2012
  • Score: 3

1:24pm Sat 8 Feb 14

jim 2012 says...

Manuel Hung wrote:
jim 2012 wrote:
you should try living on the somerset levels right now
you would have something to moan about
put a sock in it
And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria.

Moron!
the war in in Syria has nothing to do with the british people
it is a civil war that we have no control over
you con only fix what you can control
[quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: you should try living on the somerset levels right now you would have something to moan about put a sock in it[/p][/quote]And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria. Moron![/p][/quote]the war in in Syria has nothing to do with the british people it is a civil war that we have no control over you con only fix what you can control jim 2012
  • Score: 3

2:35pm Sat 8 Feb 14

The Epicurian says...

Like the weather Jim?
Like the weather Jim? The Epicurian
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Copperhead says...

DaveBurnley wrote:
The BBC management seems to be a highly paid group of unemployable upper class twits, who have carved themselves a comfortable sinecure from our compulsory licenses.
Never a truer few words were ever posted in the LT.
The middle-class Marxists and champagne socialists who run the BBC
( the Bolshevik Broadcasting Committee ) are a disgrace - a cabal of left-wing activists using public money to fund the revolution they know they can't win at the ballot box because the British public are not stupid enough to fall for their discredited doctrine and propaganda.
The BBC should be either broken up and sold off or made to pay it's way like commercial TV and be therefore subject to market forces.
[quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: The BBC management seems to be a highly paid group of unemployable upper class twits, who have carved themselves a comfortable sinecure from our compulsory licenses.[/p][/quote]Never a truer few words were ever posted in the LT. The middle-class Marxists and champagne socialists who run the BBC ( the Bolshevik Broadcasting Committee ) are a disgrace - a cabal of left-wing activists using public money to fund the revolution they know they can't win at the ballot box because the British public are not stupid enough to fall for their discredited doctrine and propaganda. The BBC should be either broken up and sold off or made to pay it's way like commercial TV and be therefore subject to market forces. Copperhead
  • Score: 0

3:14pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Manuel Hung says...

jim 2012 wrote:
Manuel Hung wrote:
jim 2012 wrote:
you should try living on the somerset levels right now
you would have something to moan about
put a sock in it
And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria.

Moron!
put a sock in it
Moron!
[quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: you should try living on the somerset levels right now you would have something to moan about put a sock in it[/p][/quote]And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria. Moron![/p][/quote]put a sock in it[/p][/quote]Moron! Manuel Hung
  • Score: -3

4:09pm Sat 8 Feb 14

psch says...

Must be desperate Gordon to try and turn a non-issue into a controversy.
Nothing is going to save you at the next election and you are going to get what you deserve for your ineffectiveness and the treachery of you and your party in supporting a Tory government even more right wing than Thatchers
Must be desperate Gordon to try and turn a non-issue into a controversy. Nothing is going to save you at the next election and you are going to get what you deserve for your ineffectiveness and the treachery of you and your party in supporting a Tory government even more right wing than Thatchers psch
  • Score: 1

4:50pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Timefor says...

happycyclist got there before me - well done! This guy, this guy, well doesn't he just take the biscuit! This is the guy who fails to turn up in Parliament to represent us, his electorate; when he does turn up, for example recently, seems to describe the new urgent care centre in Burnley as an A&E or, more worryingly, voted to weaken and diminish democracy along with his tory friends; I wont even mention bedroom tax, tax cuts for millionaires, increases in vat, the granny tax, the scrapping of the bankers bonus tax, the trebling of tuition fees for young people, scrapping of ema, cuts to many many key services and restrictions to legal aid for poorer people. Nah, I wont mention those things or the rest of the list!

Gordie, sometimes we all make mistakes in our working lives and imagine that we can do someone else's job. Maybe it's time to move over and let someone else have a go.
happycyclist got there before me - well done! This guy, this guy, well doesn't he just take the biscuit! This is the guy who fails to turn up in Parliament to represent us, his electorate; when he does turn up, for example recently, seems to describe the new urgent care centre in Burnley as an A&E or, more worryingly, voted to weaken and diminish democracy along with his tory friends; I wont even mention bedroom tax, tax cuts for millionaires, increases in vat, the granny tax, the scrapping of the bankers bonus tax, the trebling of tuition fees for young people, scrapping of ema, cuts to many many key services and restrictions to legal aid for poorer people. Nah, I wont mention those things or the rest of the list! Gordie, sometimes we all make mistakes in our working lives and imagine that we can do someone else's job. Maybe it's time to move over and let someone else have a go. Timefor
  • Score: -1

5:04pm Sat 8 Feb 14

berny55 says...

i am not a liberal,but g birtwistles done more for burnley,then 60 years of labour, dont believe me just look at the state of it ,in fact look at all northern towns thats been labour for 60 years and more
i am not a liberal,but g birtwistles done more for burnley,then 60 years of labour, dont believe me just look at the state of it ,in fact look at all northern towns thats been labour for 60 years and more berny55
  • Score: 10

5:14pm Sat 8 Feb 14

POW WOW says...

The BBC being a New Labour corporation taking a dig a a Labour born and bred town I don't think so and yes even though I am aware that Birtwistle is a Condem MP he only got voted in cause of the postal vote rigging scandal cancelling all the Labour votes out !!!!!!!! Well sorry folks with your town under Birtwistles control I'm afraid it's well and truly Condemned !!!!!!!!!!
The BBC being a New Labour corporation taking a dig a a Labour born and bred town I don't think so and yes even though I am aware that Birtwistle is a Condem MP he only got voted in cause of the postal vote rigging scandal cancelling all the Labour votes out !!!!!!!! Well sorry folks with your town under Birtwistles control I'm afraid it's well and truly Condemned !!!!!!!!!! POW WOW
  • Score: -1

7:09pm Sat 8 Feb 14

cowabunga says...

Mr Birtwistle on this occasion I have to disagree with you.The programme was not anti Burnley at all it was an entertaining fly on the wall documentary and did not put us in a bad light.
Mr Birtwistle on this occasion I have to disagree with you.The programme was not anti Burnley at all it was an entertaining fly on the wall documentary and did not put us in a bad light. cowabunga
  • Score: 8

7:35pm Sat 8 Feb 14

johnley says...

wasn't the program about pound shops? after all, an historical pound shop as just closed down....( historical ha ha ha
wasn't the program about pound shops? after all, an historical pound shop as just closed down....( historical ha ha ha johnley
  • Score: 1

9:18pm Sat 8 Feb 14

madari says...

Madari the snake charmer says:

Good ol` Bertie should be grateful the programme wasn't about the sweat smelling Charity shops.
Burnley seems to be the capital of Charity shops with one on virtually every corner of town, charging prices as if the stock was brand spanking new.
The best of it is that staff take home whatever they like for free as they are all volunteers.!!.
Madari the snake charmer says: Good ol` Bertie should be grateful the programme wasn't about the sweat smelling Charity shops. Burnley seems to be the capital of Charity shops with one on virtually every corner of town, charging prices as if the stock was brand spanking new. The best of it is that staff take home whatever they like for free as they are all volunteers.!!. madari
  • Score: -1

9:28pm Sat 8 Feb 14

hunter3062 says...

Manuel Hung wrote:
jim 2012 wrote:
you should try living on the somerset levels right now
you would have something to moan about
put a sock in it
And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria.

Moron!
and you can tell the people in somerset theres no help because the hard earened british taxes are once again going to help other countries syria included..once again the people britain suffering at the hands of foreigners and immigrants...
[quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: you should try living on the somerset levels right now you would have something to moan about put a sock in it[/p][/quote]And you could tell the people on the Somerset levels to be grateful that they are not living in Syria. Moron![/p][/quote]and you can tell the people in somerset theres no help because the hard earened british taxes are once again going to help other countries syria included..once again the people britain suffering at the hands of foreigners and immigrants... hunter3062
  • Score: 0

9:49pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Old Alzheimer says...

madari wrote:
Madari the snake charmer says:

Good ol` Bertie should be grateful the programme wasn't about the sweat smelling Charity shops.
Burnley seems to be the capital of Charity shops with one on virtually every corner of town, charging prices as if the stock was brand spanking new.
The best of it is that staff take home whatever they like for free as they are all volunteers.!!.
Your last sentence is incorrect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]madari[/bold] wrote: Madari the snake charmer says: Good ol` Bertie should be grateful the programme wasn't about the sweat smelling Charity shops. Burnley seems to be the capital of Charity shops with one on virtually every corner of town, charging prices as if the stock was brand spanking new. The best of it is that staff take home whatever they like for free as they are all volunteers.!!.[/p][/quote]Your last sentence is incorrect !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Old Alzheimer
  • Score: 2

11:46pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Gazjo58 says...

Well done to the BBC,it just shows what a slum we,re living in.A recent visit by friends commented that Burnley was a town of taxis,takeaways and pound shops. not even to mention the charity shops on every corner.
My once proud town has now gone completely down the pan and is becoming an eyesore,,which im sorry to say.
Well done to the BBC,it just shows what a slum we,re living in.A recent visit by friends commented that Burnley was a town of taxis,takeaways and pound shops. not even to mention the charity shops on every corner. My once proud town has now gone completely down the pan and is becoming an eyesore,,which im sorry to say. Gazjo58
  • Score: 1

7:59am Sun 9 Feb 14

Kevin, Colne says...

Last Friday I was in the centre of Burnley and I thought I detected another couple of shops had closed in and around the Charter Walk Centre.

To be honest I think that the centre has done a remarkable job in holding body and soul together, especially when one considers that for many years the population of the town has been contracting.

Much shopping activity that used to take place in the centre has moved to the out-of-town retail parks on the periphery anchored around Asda, Sainsbury and Tesco. In some ways it’s better to think of the centre of Burnley as having moved.

Every now and again a technology comes along that is hugely disruptive to the existing order: the internet is one such example.

In considering the reconfiguration and current state of Burnley town centre one has to remember that every home with an internet connection along with every mobile ‘phone with an internet connection is now a shop. Retailing and other end-line distributors are simply adapting and reconfiguring to the new reality.

The shops that are there are the ones that are sustainable.
Last Friday I was in the centre of Burnley and I thought I detected another couple of shops had closed in and around the Charter Walk Centre. To be honest I think that the centre has done a remarkable job in holding body and soul together, especially when one considers that for many years the population of the town has been contracting. Much shopping activity that used to take place in the centre has moved to the out-of-town retail parks on the periphery anchored around Asda, Sainsbury and Tesco. In some ways it’s better to think of the centre of Burnley as having moved. Every now and again a technology comes along that is hugely disruptive to the existing order: the internet is one such example. In considering the reconfiguration and current state of Burnley town centre one has to remember that every home with an internet connection along with every mobile ‘phone with an internet connection is now a shop. Retailing and other end-line distributors are simply adapting and reconfiguring to the new reality. The shops that are there are the ones that are sustainable. Kevin, Colne
  • Score: 10

9:39am Sun 9 Feb 14

happycyclist says...

DaveBurnley wrote:
The BBC management seems to be a highly paid group of unemployable upper class twits, who have carved themselves a comfortable sinecure from our compulsory licenses.
They're not unemployable because they've got jobs and are therefore employed, and the TV licence isn't compulsory.
[quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: The BBC management seems to be a highly paid group of unemployable upper class twits, who have carved themselves a comfortable sinecure from our compulsory licenses.[/p][/quote]They're not unemployable because they've got jobs and are therefore employed, and the TV licence isn't compulsory. happycyclist
  • Score: -3

9:44am Sun 9 Feb 14

Chris P Bacon says...

Replace Burnley with pretty much any town (Bury, Guildford and, erm..I'm struggling after that) in Britain and more would consider you right than wrong. What you're seeing is representative of the whole nation, not just one tiny piece of it.

As Rudyard Kipling wrote...

WINDS of the World, give answer! They are whimpering to and fro—
And what should they know of England who only England know?—
The poor little street-bred people that vapour and fume and brag,
They are lifting their heads in the stillness to yelp at the English Flag!
Replace Burnley with pretty much any town (Bury, Guildford and, erm..I'm struggling after that) in Britain and more would consider you right than wrong. What you're seeing is representative of the whole nation, not just one tiny piece of it. As Rudyard Kipling wrote... WINDS of the World, give answer! They are whimpering to and fro— And what should they know of England who only England know?— The poor little street-bred people that vapour and fume and brag, They are lifting their heads in the stillness to yelp at the English Flag! Chris P Bacon
  • Score: 5

10:47am Sun 9 Feb 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

I have had the pleasure to go to Media City in Manchester, we popped into the reception of one of the BBC buildings, a very nice gentleman explained the 40 to 50 staff looking at there Pcs where all looking for sports story's around the world, the majority are edited and never used, he quietly told us most of these staff where on £40,000 plus a year, is it any wonder our TV licence is £145, this is what the Burnley MP should be looking at, the press rub this country, the polititions are in fear of them, cross the BBC and your career is over.
No Mr Birtwisle keep fighting this lot, get them to start advertising and get them in the real world and destroy the TV licence.
I have had the pleasure to go to Media City in Manchester, we popped into the reception of one of the BBC buildings, a very nice gentleman explained the 40 to 50 staff looking at there Pcs where all looking for sports story's around the world, the majority are edited and never used, he quietly told us most of these staff where on £40,000 plus a year, is it any wonder our TV licence is £145, this is what the Burnley MP should be looking at, the press rub this country, the polititions are in fear of them, cross the BBC and your career is over. No Mr Birtwisle keep fighting this lot, get them to start advertising and get them in the real world and destroy the TV licence. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 3

11:23am Sun 9 Feb 14

Chris P Bacon says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
I have had the pleasure to go to Media City in Manchester, we popped into the reception of one of the BBC buildings, a very nice gentleman explained the 40 to 50 staff looking at there Pcs where all looking for sports story's around the world, the majority are edited and never used, he quietly told us most of these staff where on £40,000 plus a year, is it any wonder our TV licence is £145, this is what the Burnley MP should be looking at, the press rub this country, the polititions are in fear of them, cross the BBC and your career is over.
No Mr Birtwisle keep fighting this lot, get them to start advertising and get them in the real world and destroy the TV licence.
Wrong on every level (and very poor grammar). You SERIOUSLY want MORE adverts? I'd happily pay £2,000 per year for a TV licence if it meant not being subject to a constant bombardment of slick psychologists trying to extract money from my pocket (known as 'advertising' to you). Switch on to almost any non-BBC channel at pretty much any time of day or night and the chances are you'll be watching adverts. And who do you think actually pays for those adverts? You, you mug. It might not be in one fell swoop but it'll be a few pence here on a bag of crisps (thank you very much says Gary Lineker and his huge fee that YOU are paying for) and a few hundred pounds on a Merc or BMW there. You think the advertisers GIVE their film away?

Get real. The BBC are the last bastion against the sordid commercial cess-pit this country has long surrendered to.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: I have had the pleasure to go to Media City in Manchester, we popped into the reception of one of the BBC buildings, a very nice gentleman explained the 40 to 50 staff looking at there Pcs where all looking for sports story's around the world, the majority are edited and never used, he quietly told us most of these staff where on £40,000 plus a year, is it any wonder our TV licence is £145, this is what the Burnley MP should be looking at, the press rub this country, the polititions are in fear of them, cross the BBC and your career is over. No Mr Birtwisle keep fighting this lot, get them to start advertising and get them in the real world and destroy the TV licence.[/p][/quote]Wrong on every level (and very poor grammar). You SERIOUSLY want MORE adverts? I'd happily pay £2,000 per year for a TV licence if it meant not being subject to a constant bombardment of slick psychologists trying to extract money from my pocket (known as 'advertising' to you). Switch on to almost any non-BBC channel at pretty much any time of day or night and the chances are you'll be watching adverts. And who do you think actually pays for those adverts? You, you mug. It might not be in one fell swoop but it'll be a few pence here on a bag of crisps (thank you very much says Gary Lineker and his huge fee that YOU are paying for) and a few hundred pounds on a Merc or BMW there. You think the advertisers GIVE their film away? Get real. The BBC are the last bastion against the sordid commercial cess-pit this country has long surrendered to. Chris P Bacon
  • Score: 6

11:49am Sun 9 Feb 14

DaveBurnley says...

happycyclist wrote:
DaveBurnley wrote:
The BBC management seems to be a highly paid group of unemployable upper class twits, who have carved themselves a comfortable sinecure from our compulsory licenses.
They're not unemployable because they've got jobs and are therefore employed, and the TV licence isn't compulsory.
I don't consider that getting a non-job off one of your old school pals really counts as employment.

The TV license is compulsory if you want to watch terrestrial TV, you have to subsidise these parasites even if you only watch commercial channels.
[quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: The BBC management seems to be a highly paid group of unemployable upper class twits, who have carved themselves a comfortable sinecure from our compulsory licenses.[/p][/quote]They're not unemployable because they've got jobs and are therefore employed, and the TV licence isn't compulsory.[/p][/quote]I don't consider that getting a non-job off one of your old school pals really counts as employment. The TV license is compulsory if you want to watch terrestrial TV, you have to subsidise these parasites even if you only watch commercial channels. DaveBurnley
  • Score: 8

11:57am Sun 9 Feb 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

Well Mr Bacon,
Let's start with your well educated discussion on this serious subject,

You you mug!! Nice comment!!

Well Mr Bacon you are entitled to your opinion that's what this country is all about, try thinking of others who may have a valid point from there perspective, advertising is part of life, how would you know where the cheapest/best product could be bought, you don't have to buy anything it's a free country, but these little intrusions are a small price to pay IMO if it saves me and thousands of other people £145 a year. You could also try taping films/programmes like I do then I fast forward through these adverts.
, I'll leave you with these thoughts on this lovely Sunday morning, have a nice day.
Well Mr Bacon, Let's start with your well educated discussion on this serious subject, You you mug!! Nice comment!! Well Mr Bacon you are entitled to your opinion that's what this country is all about, try thinking of others who may have a valid point from there perspective, advertising is part of life, how would you know where the cheapest/best product could be bought, you don't have to buy anything it's a free country, but these little intrusions are a small price to pay IMO if it saves me and thousands of other people £145 a year. You could also try taping films/programmes like I do then I fast forward through these adverts. , I'll leave you with these thoughts on this lovely Sunday morning, have a nice day. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: -1

1:02pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Ken dodds cousin says...

this idiot will do anything for a bit of paper time..
this idiot will do anything for a bit of paper time.. Ken dodds cousin
  • Score: -3

2:46pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Chris P Bacon says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Well Mr Bacon,
Let's start with your well educated discussion on this serious subject,

You you mug!! Nice comment!!

Well Mr Bacon you are entitled to your opinion that's what this country is all about, try thinking of others who may have a valid point from there perspective, advertising is part of life, how would you know where the cheapest/best product could be bought, you don't have to buy anything it's a free country, but these little intrusions are a small price to pay IMO if it saves me and thousands of other people £145 a year. You could also try taping films/programmes like I do then I fast forward through these adverts.
, I'll leave you with these thoughts on this lovely Sunday morning, have a nice day.
Watch adverts. don't watch adverts, you'll still PAY for the adverts but you think that because it's not all in one fell swoop, it's cheaper? You have zero logic to back you up there but if you think it's to educate you as to where to buy the cheapest products, you carry on.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: Well Mr Bacon, Let's start with your well educated discussion on this serious subject, You you mug!! Nice comment!! Well Mr Bacon you are entitled to your opinion that's what this country is all about, try thinking of others who may have a valid point from there perspective, advertising is part of life, how would you know where the cheapest/best product could be bought, you don't have to buy anything it's a free country, but these little intrusions are a small price to pay IMO if it saves me and thousands of other people £145 a year. You could also try taping films/programmes like I do then I fast forward through these adverts. , I'll leave you with these thoughts on this lovely Sunday morning, have a nice day.[/p][/quote]Watch adverts. don't watch adverts, you'll still PAY for the adverts but you think that because it's not all in one fell swoop, it's cheaper? You have zero logic to back you up there but if you think it's to educate you as to where to buy the cheapest products, you carry on. Chris P Bacon
  • Score: 4

2:55pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

Chris P Bacon wrote:
Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Well Mr Bacon,
Let's start with your well educated discussion on this serious subject,

You you mug!! Nice comment!!

Well Mr Bacon you are entitled to your opinion that's what this country is all about, try thinking of others who may have a valid point from there perspective, advertising is part of life, how would you know where the cheapest/best product could be bought, you don't have to buy anything it's a free country, but these little intrusions are a small price to pay IMO if it saves me and thousands of other people £145 a year. You could also try taping films/programmes like I do then I fast forward through these adverts.
, I'll leave you with these thoughts on this lovely Sunday morning, have a nice day.
Watch adverts. don't watch adverts, you'll still PAY for the adverts but you think that because it's not all in one fell swoop, it's cheaper? You have zero logic to back you up there but if you think it's to educate you as to where to buy the cheapest products, you carry on.
Fair comments, I may disagree with some of them but your points where put across a lot better.
[quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: Well Mr Bacon, Let's start with your well educated discussion on this serious subject, You you mug!! Nice comment!! Well Mr Bacon you are entitled to your opinion that's what this country is all about, try thinking of others who may have a valid point from there perspective, advertising is part of life, how would you know where the cheapest/best product could be bought, you don't have to buy anything it's a free country, but these little intrusions are a small price to pay IMO if it saves me and thousands of other people £145 a year. You could also try taping films/programmes like I do then I fast forward through these adverts. , I'll leave you with these thoughts on this lovely Sunday morning, have a nice day.[/p][/quote]Watch adverts. don't watch adverts, you'll still PAY for the adverts but you think that because it's not all in one fell swoop, it's cheaper? You have zero logic to back you up there but if you think it's to educate you as to where to buy the cheapest products, you carry on.[/p][/quote]Fair comments, I may disagree with some of them but your points where put across a lot better. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Sun 9 Feb 14

DaveBurnley says...

Chris, I usually agree with you, but on this one we must disagree.

The BBC used to be a valuable part of the British ethos, but it's been hijacked by a self serving clique who only want to promote their own propaganda.

The sooner it is sold off, and the sooner that it's compulsory license fee is abolished, the better.
Chris, I usually agree with you, but on this one we must disagree. The BBC used to be a valuable part of the British ethos, but it's been hijacked by a self serving clique who only want to promote their own propaganda. The sooner it is sold off, and the sooner that it's compulsory license fee is abolished, the better. DaveBurnley
  • Score: 4

4:05pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Chris P Bacon says...

DaveBurnley wrote:
Chris, I usually agree with you, but on this one we must disagree.

The BBC used to be a valuable part of the British ethos, but it's been hijacked by a self serving clique who only want to promote their own propaganda.

The sooner it is sold off, and the sooner that it's compulsory license fee is abolished, the better.
Then we see things differently on this. I have no political axe to grind with the BBC, I just despise adverts and the way we are subject to its insidious ubiquity. They take EVERY opportunity to con us with their wheedling attempts to get us to part with money and expect us to pay for the privilege! And we all pay for this through costs added on to the product/service they charge which works out at far, far more per household than a one-off fee to enable us to retreat to an advert/con-free environment. They should charge MORE money for the licence and I know of millions of people who think the same way.

The licence fee will never be abolished, you may as well accept that now.
[quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: Chris, I usually agree with you, but on this one we must disagree. The BBC used to be a valuable part of the British ethos, but it's been hijacked by a self serving clique who only want to promote their own propaganda. The sooner it is sold off, and the sooner that it's compulsory license fee is abolished, the better.[/p][/quote]Then we see things differently on this. I have no political axe to grind with the BBC, I just despise adverts and the way we are subject to its insidious ubiquity. They take EVERY opportunity to con us with their wheedling attempts to get us to part with money and expect us to pay for the privilege! And we all pay for this through costs added on to the product/service they charge which works out at far, far more per household than a one-off fee to enable us to retreat to an advert/con-free environment. They should charge MORE money for the licence and I know of millions of people who think the same way. The licence fee will never be abolished, you may as well accept that now. Chris P Bacon
  • Score: 4

5:15pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Kevin, Colne says...

Some of the output from the BBC is absolutely superb, much is mediocre and some elements are beyond dire. There are times when I could hug the BBC, and times when I think it needs a slap.

Technological change has brought the BBC into direct competition with newspapers like never before and, therefore, one should not be surprised at the hostility and venomous campaigns against the Corporation from private interests.

The last three decades have seen consumerism and individualism placed centre stage and this has weakened considerably the notion of the collective, of which the BBC is an example.

Perhaps the time is approaching for a national conversation about public service broadcasting: What is it? How its’ paid for? And how should it be done?

I remain attracted to the idea of a broadcaster or broadcasting that is separate from state and commercial vested interests that can educate, inform and entertain.

Having said this, I’m by no means convinced that funding this by way of a universal licensing system is assured.

I’m a member of the generation whose formative years was when the BBC was part of a duopoly in television and enjoyed a legal monopoly in radio. Those days have long gone and I suspect that the best days for the BBC are behind it; and the BBC knows it.

Many of my generation were in awe of the BBC; whereas today the BBC is one of many providers and my assessment is that a great many young people see it as an also ran. When this generation comes to take the reins of policy making I would not be surprised to see them less inclined towards endorsing the idea of a universal licence fee.

Let me add here that I think that the BBC has not done itself much in the way of favours as I detect that they see the licence fee income as a right rather than a privilege. This, in my view, is a gross error on their part.

Alas we have enthroned joint-stock corporations and we’re now living with the consequences of this policy.

As we have seen a large and significant proportion of the body corporate is absolutely rotten to the core. Corporate behaviour across key industries has been revealed to be utterly corrupt and deceitful, so much so that at times it’s hard not to have some sympathy with the view that organisations are indeed psychopathic.

The tsunami of commercialism has swept all before it, and speaking personally I’m not sure that this is an altogether attractive feature of modern life.
Some of the output from the BBC is absolutely superb, much is mediocre and some elements are beyond dire. There are times when I could hug the BBC, and times when I think it needs a slap. Technological change has brought the BBC into direct competition with newspapers like never before and, therefore, one should not be surprised at the hostility and venomous campaigns against the Corporation from private interests. The last three decades have seen consumerism and individualism placed centre stage and this has weakened considerably the notion of the collective, of which the BBC is an example. Perhaps the time is approaching for a national conversation about public service broadcasting: What is it? How its’ paid for? And how should it be done? I remain attracted to the idea of a broadcaster or broadcasting that is separate from state and commercial vested interests that can educate, inform and entertain. Having said this, I’m by no means convinced that funding this by way of a universal licensing system is assured. I’m a member of the generation whose formative years was when the BBC was part of a duopoly in television and enjoyed a legal monopoly in radio. Those days have long gone and I suspect that the best days for the BBC are behind it; and the BBC knows it. Many of my generation were in awe of the BBC; whereas today the BBC is one of many providers and my assessment is that a great many young people see it as an also ran. When this generation comes to take the reins of policy making I would not be surprised to see them less inclined towards endorsing the idea of a universal licence fee. Let me add here that I think that the BBC has not done itself much in the way of favours as I detect that they see the licence fee income as a right rather than a privilege. This, in my view, is a gross error on their part. Alas we have enthroned joint-stock corporations and we’re now living with the consequences of this policy. As we have seen a large and significant proportion of the body corporate is absolutely rotten to the core. Corporate behaviour across key industries has been revealed to be utterly corrupt and deceitful, so much so that at times it’s hard not to have some sympathy with the view that organisations are indeed psychopathic. The tsunami of commercialism has swept all before it, and speaking personally I’m not sure that this is an altogether attractive feature of modern life. Kevin, Colne
  • Score: 1

9:08pm Sun 9 Feb 14

gazzandste says...

Kevin, Colne wrote:
Last Friday I was in the centre of Burnley and I thought I detected another couple of shops had closed in and around the Charter Walk Centre.

To be honest I think that the centre has done a remarkable job in holding body and soul together, especially when one considers that for many years the population of the town has been contracting.

Much shopping activity that used to take place in the centre has moved to the out-of-town retail parks on the periphery anchored around Asda, Sainsbury and Tesco. In some ways it’s better to think of the centre of Burnley as having moved.

Every now and again a technology comes along that is hugely disruptive to the existing order: the internet is one such example.

In considering the reconfiguration and current state of Burnley town centre one has to remember that every home with an internet connection along with every mobile ‘phone with an internet connection is now a shop. Retailing and other end-line distributors are simply adapting and reconfiguring to the new reality.

The shops that are there are the ones that are sustainable.
Probably because of all the Asian shops around town. I for one shop at my local Asian shops, because they have fresh food and don`t rip you off also they have friendly and obliging staff.
[quote][p][bold]Kevin, Colne[/bold] wrote: Last Friday I was in the centre of Burnley and I thought I detected another couple of shops had closed in and around the Charter Walk Centre. To be honest I think that the centre has done a remarkable job in holding body and soul together, especially when one considers that for many years the population of the town has been contracting. Much shopping activity that used to take place in the centre has moved to the out-of-town retail parks on the periphery anchored around Asda, Sainsbury and Tesco. In some ways it’s better to think of the centre of Burnley as having moved. Every now and again a technology comes along that is hugely disruptive to the existing order: the internet is one such example. In considering the reconfiguration and current state of Burnley town centre one has to remember that every home with an internet connection along with every mobile ‘phone with an internet connection is now a shop. Retailing and other end-line distributors are simply adapting and reconfiguring to the new reality. The shops that are there are the ones that are sustainable.[/p][/quote]Probably because of all the Asian shops around town. I for one shop at my local Asian shops, because they have fresh food and don`t rip you off also they have friendly and obliging staff. gazzandste
  • Score: 0

9:08pm Sun 9 Feb 14

gazzandste says...

Kevin, Colne wrote:
Last Friday I was in the centre of Burnley and I thought I detected another couple of shops had closed in and around the Charter Walk Centre.

To be honest I think that the centre has done a remarkable job in holding body and soul together, especially when one considers that for many years the population of the town has been contracting.

Much shopping activity that used to take place in the centre has moved to the out-of-town retail parks on the periphery anchored around Asda, Sainsbury and Tesco. In some ways it’s better to think of the centre of Burnley as having moved.

Every now and again a technology comes along that is hugely disruptive to the existing order: the internet is one such example.

In considering the reconfiguration and current state of Burnley town centre one has to remember that every home with an internet connection along with every mobile ‘phone with an internet connection is now a shop. Retailing and other end-line distributors are simply adapting and reconfiguring to the new reality.

The shops that are there are the ones that are sustainable.
Probably because of all the Asian shops around town. I for one shop at my local Asian shops, because they have fresh food and don`t rip you off also they have friendly and obliging staff.
[quote][p][bold]Kevin, Colne[/bold] wrote: Last Friday I was in the centre of Burnley and I thought I detected another couple of shops had closed in and around the Charter Walk Centre. To be honest I think that the centre has done a remarkable job in holding body and soul together, especially when one considers that for many years the population of the town has been contracting. Much shopping activity that used to take place in the centre has moved to the out-of-town retail parks on the periphery anchored around Asda, Sainsbury and Tesco. In some ways it’s better to think of the centre of Burnley as having moved. Every now and again a technology comes along that is hugely disruptive to the existing order: the internet is one such example. In considering the reconfiguration and current state of Burnley town centre one has to remember that every home with an internet connection along with every mobile ‘phone with an internet connection is now a shop. Retailing and other end-line distributors are simply adapting and reconfiguring to the new reality. The shops that are there are the ones that are sustainable.[/p][/quote]Probably because of all the Asian shops around town. I for one shop at my local Asian shops, because they have fresh food and don`t rip you off also they have friendly and obliging staff. gazzandste
  • Score: -1

10:34pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Truth will out says...

Gordon Birtwistle should be more relieved about what the BBC didn't say as opposed to what they did.

The pound shops are filling a retail vacuum. We have been told for the last 10-15 years about how the Council is desperate to attract big name retailers. Debenhams has been coming to Burnley for well over a decade. Project Oval is the real source of embarrassment not the pound shops.

Gordon Birtwistle should stop whining about the BBC and look at how/why Burnley Council has systematically failed to attract a higher class of retailers, has failed Burnley markets and allows the busiest shopping period of Xmas to be owned by chavs with silly string.

Once those issues have been addressed then he can start on the BBC.
Gordon Birtwistle should be more relieved about what the BBC didn't say as opposed to what they did. The pound shops are filling a retail vacuum. We have been told for the last 10-15 years about how the Council is desperate to attract big name retailers. Debenhams has been coming to Burnley for well over a decade. Project Oval is the real source of embarrassment not the pound shops. Gordon Birtwistle should stop whining about the BBC and look at how/why Burnley Council has systematically failed to attract a higher class of retailers, has failed Burnley markets and allows the busiest shopping period of Xmas to be owned by chavs with silly string. Once those issues have been addressed then he can start on the BBC. Truth will out
  • Score: 3

12:19am Mon 10 Feb 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

Chris P Bacon wrote:
DaveBurnley wrote:
Chris, I usually agree with you, but on this one we must disagree.

The BBC used to be a valuable part of the British ethos, but it's been hijacked by a self serving clique who only want to promote their own propaganda.

The sooner it is sold off, and the sooner that it's compulsory license fee is abolished, the better.
Then we see things differently on this. I have no political axe to grind with the BBC, I just despise adverts and the way we are subject to its insidious ubiquity. They take EVERY opportunity to con us with their wheedling attempts to get us to part with money and expect us to pay for the privilege! And we all pay for this through costs added on to the product/service they charge which works out at far, far more per household than a one-off fee to enable us to retreat to an advert/con-free environment. They should charge MORE money for the licence and I know of millions of people who think the same way.

The licence fee will never be abolished, you may as well accept that now.
Come on Chris, I know a few people, may be a a hundred or so but for you to quote a million is a bit over the top to say the least, unfortunately the licence will be with us for a long time but to say it will be here for ever gives the BBC a licence to kill, a couple of minutes advertisements or £145 a year, it's a no brainier, let the people decide give them a free vote, my bet is I will be proven right!!! Given the choice which unfortunately we won't be.
[quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: Chris, I usually agree with you, but on this one we must disagree. The BBC used to be a valuable part of the British ethos, but it's been hijacked by a self serving clique who only want to promote their own propaganda. The sooner it is sold off, and the sooner that it's compulsory license fee is abolished, the better.[/p][/quote]Then we see things differently on this. I have no political axe to grind with the BBC, I just despise adverts and the way we are subject to its insidious ubiquity. They take EVERY opportunity to con us with their wheedling attempts to get us to part with money and expect us to pay for the privilege! And we all pay for this through costs added on to the product/service they charge which works out at far, far more per household than a one-off fee to enable us to retreat to an advert/con-free environment. They should charge MORE money for the licence and I know of millions of people who think the same way. The licence fee will never be abolished, you may as well accept that now.[/p][/quote]Come on Chris, I know a few people, may be a a hundred or so but for you to quote a million is a bit over the top to say the least, unfortunately the licence will be with us for a long time but to say it will be here for ever gives the BBC a licence to kill, a couple of minutes advertisements or £145 a year, it's a no brainier, let the people decide give them a free vote, my bet is I will be proven right!!! Given the choice which unfortunately we won't be. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: -1

9:31am Mon 10 Feb 14

Chris P Bacon says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Chris P Bacon wrote:
DaveBurnley wrote:
Chris, I usually agree with you, but on this one we must disagree.

The BBC used to be a valuable part of the British ethos, but it's been hijacked by a self serving clique who only want to promote their own propaganda.

The sooner it is sold off, and the sooner that it's compulsory license fee is abolished, the better.
Then we see things differently on this. I have no political axe to grind with the BBC, I just despise adverts and the way we are subject to its insidious ubiquity. They take EVERY opportunity to con us with their wheedling attempts to get us to part with money and expect us to pay for the privilege! And we all pay for this through costs added on to the product/service they charge which works out at far, far more per household than a one-off fee to enable us to retreat to an advert/con-free environment. They should charge MORE money for the licence and I know of millions of people who think the same way.

The licence fee will never be abolished, you may as well accept that now.
Come on Chris, I know a few people, may be a a hundred or so but for you to quote a million is a bit over the top to say the least, unfortunately the licence will be with us for a long time but to say it will be here for ever gives the BBC a licence to kill, a couple of minutes advertisements or £145 a year, it's a no brainier, let the people decide give them a free vote, my bet is I will be proven right!!! Given the choice which unfortunately we won't be.
No, I didn't write 'a million' I wrote 'of millions' and that is easy to illustrate: look at the TV viewing ratings for the most recent week we have (last week) and see which channel had the most viewers. If you can't access them, I can and see that the BBC scored many more viewers than the next most popular channel, ITV. Coronation Street has been booted off the top spot which is now occupied by 'Call the Midwife', scoring more than half a million more than Corry. Every position from 1-10 on the BBC1 list scores more than their counterparts on the corresponding 1-10 on the ITV list.

The people have spoken and they've said, loud and clear, we want our TV with NO adverts to interrupt them. They've got the choice after all and have had it for a long time yet the BBC remains on top.

And by the way, it's nowhere near your fabled 'couple of minutes adverts'; the time adverts can be shown between programmes has more than doubled in the last three years and can now represent 30% of the time the programmes they interrupt are on screen.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: Chris, I usually agree with you, but on this one we must disagree. The BBC used to be a valuable part of the British ethos, but it's been hijacked by a self serving clique who only want to promote their own propaganda. The sooner it is sold off, and the sooner that it's compulsory license fee is abolished, the better.[/p][/quote]Then we see things differently on this. I have no political axe to grind with the BBC, I just despise adverts and the way we are subject to its insidious ubiquity. They take EVERY opportunity to con us with their wheedling attempts to get us to part with money and expect us to pay for the privilege! And we all pay for this through costs added on to the product/service they charge which works out at far, far more per household than a one-off fee to enable us to retreat to an advert/con-free environment. They should charge MORE money for the licence and I know of millions of people who think the same way. The licence fee will never be abolished, you may as well accept that now.[/p][/quote]Come on Chris, I know a few people, may be a a hundred or so but for you to quote a million is a bit over the top to say the least, unfortunately the licence will be with us for a long time but to say it will be here for ever gives the BBC a licence to kill, a couple of minutes advertisements or £145 a year, it's a no brainier, let the people decide give them a free vote, my bet is I will be proven right!!! Given the choice which unfortunately we won't be.[/p][/quote]No, I didn't write 'a million' I wrote 'of millions' and that is easy to illustrate: look at the TV viewing ratings for the most recent week we have (last week) and see which channel had the most viewers. If you can't access them, I can and see that the BBC scored many more viewers than the next most popular channel, ITV. Coronation Street has been booted off the top spot which is now occupied by 'Call the Midwife', scoring more than half a million more than Corry. Every position from 1-10 on the BBC1 list scores more than their counterparts on the corresponding 1-10 on the ITV list. The people have spoken and they've said, loud and clear, we want our TV with NO adverts to interrupt them. They've got the choice after all and have had it for a long time yet the BBC remains on top. And by the way, it's nowhere near your fabled 'couple of minutes adverts'; the time adverts can be shown between programmes has more than doubled in the last three years and can now represent 30% of the time the programmes they interrupt are on screen. Chris P Bacon
  • Score: 1

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