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AN ISLAMIC school is to be opened in Nelson.
Councillors approved plans to transform a disused warehouse in Norfolk Street by six votes to five with one abstention.
Bosses from the Fountains of Knowledge charity, which is behind the 120-pupil school, said it was what the community wanted.
But nearby businesses had urged councillors on the Nelson Committee to throw out the scheme over traffic concerns.
Sajad Rana, chairman of the charity, told the meeting that all but £50,000 of the £250,000 needed to open the Al Ikhlaas Primary School had been raised by the community.
The plans include the creation of a playground, the school building, include eight classrooms, two assembly/prayer halls, a library and a community room.
Developers dropped plans for a nursery to accommodate a request by planning officers for increased car parking spaces, one for each classroom.
Mr Rana, a software developer and former teacher, said the school was a community project that would allow parents to educate their children closer to home.
He said: "The reasons why Fountains of Knowledge has pursued this project is not on some whim or fantastic desire.
"The project has come to fruition as a result of community consultation.
"They want to see a school established in a building which has not been used for a number of years.
"At the moment concerned parents have to send their children to Blackburn."
Brothers Glen and John Little who run businesses in Norfolk Street said the playground would cause problems for their businesses.
Glen, who runs Little's Transport, said: "With the extension to the building I will not be able to access my business.
"Trying to get 60 foot vehicles in and out of my site with children coming in and out of cars will be difficult."
Local Resident Stephanie Esketh also raised concerned over increased congestion and the potential for accidents on an already busy road.
Coun Sonia Robertson, voting against the proposal, said: "If you pass this application you are not giving the traders a fair deal.
"We have huge concerns for the safety of the children.
"It is not in the right location and I for one move to turn this application down for the safety of the children, the lack of access and the effect it will have on traders businesses."
A school travel plan will also have to be submitted to the council.
5:15pm Thursday 8th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Stephanie Anderson, US on 7:12pm Thu 8 May 08
Did anyone bother to ask them would they be teaching the children that they should 'struggle' to make sharia law the law of the land and Islam supreme and to make the non-Muslims feel subdued (as is stated in the Koran)?
Did anyone ask them if they believed in equality under law for ALL people indefinitely? What about the universal declaration of human rights? Do they agree with the parts that lash with Islamic law?
Why are these q's not asked when Muslim wish to build a new school, or Mosque? They are pertinent.
Did anyone bother to ask them would they be teaching the children that they should 'struggle' to make sharia law the law of the land and Islam supreme and to make the non-Muslims feel subdued (as is stated in the Koran)?
Did anyone ask them if they believed in equality under law for ALL people indefinitely? What about the universal declaration of human rights? Do they agree with the parts that lash with Islamic law?
Why are these q's not asked when Muslim wish to build a new school, or Mosque? They are pertinent.
Posted by: atheist on 7:55pm Thu 8 May 08
There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of religion the better!
There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of religion the better!
Posted by: escaped, Spain on 9:05pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]Stephanie Anderson[/bold] wrote:
Did anyone bother to ask them would they be teaching the children that they should 'struggle' to make sharia law the law of the land and Islam supreme and to make the non-Muslims feel subdued (as is stated in the Koran)? Did anyone ask them if they believed in equality under law for ALL people indefinitely? What about the universal declaration of human rights? Do they agree with the parts that lash with Islamic law? Why are these q's not asked when Muslim wish to build a new school, or Mosque? They are pertinent.[/quote] Stephanie. This isn't a cheap shot. I'm genuinely interested in what I think you're trying to say, but could you post this again with punctuation?
Stephanie Anderson wrote:
Did anyone bother to ask them would they be teaching the children that they should 'struggle' to make sharia law the law of the land and Islam supreme and to make the non-Muslims feel subdued (as is stated in the Koran)? Did anyone ask them if they believed in equality under law for ALL people indefinitely? What about the universal declaration of human rights? Do they agree with the parts that lash with Islamic law? Why are these q's not asked when Muslim wish to build a new school, or Mosque? They are pertinent.
Stephanie. This isn't a cheap shot. I'm genuinely interested in what I think you're trying to say, but could you post this again with punctuation?
Posted by: Nelson resident on 9:57pm Thu 8 May 08
interesting to note that Coun. Sonia Robinson opposed this but supported the UKIM Mosque proposal for the former Groves Hotel. Is that not going to increase traffic flow for residents of Every Street, Hargreaves etc.? Or did she oppose this because the residents who opposed it were Liberal supporters such as Lesley Chisnel Helm?? Double standards or what!!
interesting to note that Coun. Sonia Robinson opposed this but supported the UKIM Mosque proposal for the former Groves Hotel. Is that not going to increase traffic flow for residents of Every Street, Hargreaves etc.? Or did she oppose this because the residents who opposed it were Liberal supporters such as Lesley Chisnel Helm?? Double standards or what!!
Posted by: Right Reverend Wright, Burnley on 11:47pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]atheist[/bold] wrote:
There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of religion the better![/quote] Well you would say that wouldnt you!
Wait till you die, you will burn in the fires of hell, eating nails and drinking molten hot lava, then you'll regret it
atheist wrote:
There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of religion the better!
Well you would say that wouldnt you!
Wait till you die, you will burn in the fires of hell, eating nails and drinking molten hot lava, then you'll regret it
Posted by: Nelsonian on 12:12am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Right Reverend Wright[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]atheist[/bold] wrote: There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of religion the better![/quote] Well you would say that wouldnt you! Wait till you die, you will burn in the fires of hell, eating nails and drinking molten hot lava, then you'll regret it[/quote] Now here is the epitomy of what most of us are up against. Am sure these individuals who are building this school probably think the same way. By the way they also remove eyes from all pictures - now what the heck has that got to do with faith - even in colouring books. These approaches isolate communities further and they do not reflect the true face of Islam - these are isolationsts and are more cultural led than islamic faith. They have double standards of behaviour and in essence are not requisit to community cohesion. I can't wait for a synogogue, hindu temple, and a bhuddist monastery to be built in Pendle. I also hear the moonies are interested in moving into N0.1 Market Street!!!!!!!AND LETS NOT FORGET THE JEHOVAK WITNESSES - BRING THEM ALLON - WE NEED DIVINE INTERVENTION IN PENDLE TO BE SAVED FROM LORD GREAVES AND COMPANY
Right Reverend Wright wrote:
atheist wrote: There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of religion the better!
Well you would say that wouldnt you! Wait till you die, you will burn in the fires of hell, eating nails and drinking molten hot lava, then you'll regret it
Now here is the epitomy of what most of us are up against. Am sure these individuals who are building this school probably think the same way. By the way they also remove eyes from all pictures - now what the heck has that got to do with faith - even in colouring books. These approaches isolate communities further and they do not reflect the true face of Islam - these are isolationsts and are more cultural led than islamic faith. They have double standards of behaviour and in essence are not requisit to community cohesion. I can't wait for a synogogue, hindu temple, and a bhuddist monastery to be built in Pendle. I also hear the moonies are interested in moving into N0.1 Market Street!!!!!!!AND LETS NOT FORGET THE JEHOVAK WITNESSES - BRING THEM ALLON - WE NEED DIVINE INTERVENTION IN PENDLE TO BE SAVED FROM LORD GREAVES AND COMPANY
Posted by: robbo, rossendale on 5:59am Fri 9 May 08
WHATEVER NEXT ??? THE COUNTRY HAS GONE TO THE DOGS.
WHATEVER NEXT ??? THE COUNTRY HAS GONE TO THE DOGS.
Posted by: atheist on 7:04am Fri 9 May 08
Right Reverand Wright, I won't regret anything as I'll be dead, after living a good life based on what I want to do. But I pity you, having based your life on a complete fantasy, brainwashed from birth!
Right Reverand Wright, I won't regret anything as I'll be dead, after living a good life based on what I want to do. But I pity you, having based your life on a complete fantasy, brainwashed from birth!
Posted by: Phil, Burnley on 7:31am Fri 9 May 08
Can those in support of community cohesion not see that the best way to promote cohesion, is to direct those who have immigrated here in the direction of the indigenous population. By allowing these large communities to become more and more independant, and more and more like back home, does nothing more than create barriers. When the communities become large enough, eventually enough animosity will be in place for the next Bosnia - on our own door step. I just wish we could stop sleep walking into this obvious predicament.
Can those in support of community cohesion not see that the best way to promote cohesion, is to direct those who have immigrated here in the direction of the indigenous population. By allowing these large communities to become more and more independant, and more and more like back home, does nothing more than create barriers. When the communities become large enough, eventually enough animosity will be in place for the next Bosnia - on our own door step. I just wish we could stop sleep walking into this obvious predicament.
Posted by: j brown, burnley on 8:03am Fri 9 May 08
the first step to an islamic state..they build all these new schools for integration then approve these schools..1 rule for us and 1 for another..people of nelson dont let it happen,there breeding grounds of hate to other religions.
the first step to an islamic state..they build all these new schools for integration then approve these schools..1 rule for us and 1 for another..people of nelson dont let it happen,there breeding grounds of hate to other religions.
Posted by: Burnley Taxpayer, Burnley on 8:34am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]atheist[/bold] wrote:
There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of religion the better![/quote] Surely the experience of faith-based, segregated schools in Northern Ireland tells us that this is a really bad idea. Schools should be places where we meet all cultures, not seperate them.
atheist wrote:
There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of religion the better!
Surely the experience of faith-based, segregated schools in Northern Ireland tells us that this is a really bad idea. Schools should be places where we meet all cultures, not seperate them.
Posted by: Concerned, Nelson on 8:38am Fri 9 May 08
What a load of cobblers by Sajad Rana,this is something the community wants...NO it is not, this is a very small minority from the Muslim population of Nelson who belong to an extremist sect similar or the same as what the saudi arabia wahhabi model is built on.
Secondly,he says there has been consultation...with whom I ask? With his own little group who attend his mosque..
I agree with Nelson Resident that Sonia Robinson is hypocritical in her stance though..she approved the UKIM Mosque at the former Groves Hotel on Manchester Road even though the majority of the surrounding neighbouring residents of that area do not even go to the UKIM mosque and have not requested it yet she has still managed to approve that planning request.
Then Mr Rana says that they want to build a school on a building that has not been used for years...another load of cobblers..they want to build a school so that they can preach their extreme interpretation of the religion from a very early age and advocate hatred of all who are not of their kind and this includes hating those muslims who do not follow the same denomination as them...
I do feel that some of the posts on here attacking the school will have been put up out of simple ignorance and fear of Islam without any valid justification but I also do feel that some people are genuinly concerned about the further polarisation of the community in Nelson through allowing such projects willy nilly..we need to listen to ALL residents before as Phil from Burnley says, we get a Bosnia in the northwest of the UK.
As for Stephanie Anderson from the US, please read the Quran in full and stop doing what the BNP does which is take 1 sentence out of a whole chapter and spout that in public, it really does make you look very foolish.."an eye for an eye" is from the Bible but then so is "turn the other cheek" so your accusations could be levied at all religions & not just Islam...I do think it wouldnt be the fastest growing religion in the world if it was how you have painted it my dear!
What a load of cobblers by Sajad Rana,this is something the community wants...NO it is not, this is a very small minority from the Muslim population of Nelson who belong to an extremist sect similar or the same as what the saudi arabia wahhabi model is built on.
Secondly,he says there has been consultation...with whom I ask? With his own little group who attend his mosque..
I agree with Nelson Resident that Sonia Robinson is hypocritical in her stance though..she approved the UKIM Mosque at the former Groves Hotel on Manchester Road even though the majority of the surrounding neighbouring residents of that area do not even go to the UKIM mosque and have not requested it yet she has still managed to approve that planning request.
Then Mr Rana says that they want to build a school on a building that has not been used for years...another load of cobblers..they want to build a school so that they can preach their extreme interpretation of the religion from a very early age and advocate hatred of all who are not of their kind and this includes hating those muslims who do not follow the same denomination as them...
I do feel that some of the posts on here attacking the school will have been put up out of simple ignorance and fear of Islam without any valid justification but I also do feel that some people are genuinly concerned about the further polarisation of the community in Nelson through allowing such projects willy nilly..we need to listen to ALL residents before as Phil from Burnley says, we get a Bosnia in the northwest of the UK.
As for Stephanie Anderson from the US, please read the Quran in full and stop doing what the BNP does which is take 1 sentence out of a whole chapter and spout that in public, it really does make you look very foolish.."an eye for an eye" is from the Bible but then so is "turn the other cheek" so your accusations could be levied at all religions & not just Islam...I do think it wouldnt be the fastest growing religion in the world if it was how you have painted it my dear!
Posted by: Right Reverend Wright, Burnley on 9:21am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]atheist[/bold] wrote:
Right Reverand Wright, I won't regret anything as I'll be dead, after living a good life based on what I want to do. But I pity you, having based your life on a complete fantasy, brainwashed from birth![/quote] You've just proved my point, clearly you've been brainwashed into believing there is no life after this one, believe you me you will pay for your sins, and be rewarded for your good ones.
Its just common sense.
atheist wrote:
Right Reverand Wright, I won't regret anything as I'll be dead, after living a good life based on what I want to do. But I pity you, having based your life on a complete fantasy, brainwashed from birth!
You've just proved my point, clearly you've been brainwashed into believing there is no life after this one, believe you me you will pay for your sins, and be rewarded for your good ones.
Its just common sense.
Posted by: stooball66, backburn on 9:33am Fri 9 May 08
Just one more comment if you are in your car and you are waiting for the traffic to ease while all these persons come out of the islamic school and if you happen to be white cover your face if you are seen to be white then your car will be spat on possibly dented you will be called every dirty name under the sun if you call the police forget it it might be a week before they get to you.
Why make this comment people in B.burn keep well away from the top of preston new road at school let out time just for the reasons i have explained when this school closes millions of Asians flock out
Just one more comment if you are in your car and you are waiting for the traffic to ease while all these persons come out of the islamic school and if you happen to be white cover your face if you are seen to be white then your car will be spat on possibly dented you will be called every dirty name under the sun if you call the police forget it it might be a week before they get to you.
Why make this comment people in B.burn keep well away from the top of preston new road at school let out time just for the reasons i have explained when this school closes millions of Asians flock out
Posted by: atheist on 9:48am Fri 9 May 08
Right Reverand Wright, just give me one scientific, testable proof that there is a god. You can't, and don't reply with the pathetic "it says in the bible". The bible and all religious texts were written by men who are notorious liars and charlatons. Think for yourself for once in your life.
Right Reverand Wright, just give me one scientific, testable proof that there is a god. You can't, and don't reply with the pathetic "it says in the bible". The bible and all religious texts were written by men who are notorious liars and charlatons. Think for yourself for once in your life.
Posted by: Millie S, Burnley on 10:14am Fri 9 May 08
Atheist, the sad thing is that those who are religious ask those of us that are not to prove that there isn't a God.
How ridiculous is that?!? They might as well ask us to prove that there aren't UFOs!
Surely, the onus is on them to prove to others that there IS a God, not on others to prove that there isn't.
How can those of us that are rational and not brainwashed from birth prove that something doesn't exist when there is utterly NO evidence that it exists?
Surely the fact that there is absolutely, categorically NO proof of a God of any kind, from any religion indicates that it is a figment of the deluded mind?
Atheist, the sad thing is that those who are religious ask those of us that are not to prove that there isn't a God.
How ridiculous is that?!? They might as well ask us to prove that there aren't UFOs!
Surely, the onus is on them to prove to others that there IS a God, not on others to prove that there isn't.
How can those of us that are rational and not brainwashed from birth prove that something doesn't exist when there is utterly NO evidence that it exists?
Surely the fact that there is absolutely, categorically NO proof of a God of any kind, from any religion indicates that it is a figment of the deluded mind?
Posted by: Danny, danny_uk_25@hotmail.
co.uk on 10:54am Fri 9 May 08
Segregating races is a really bad idea. Martin luther King must be spinning in his grave, cos wasnt it he that dreamt of a world where all races were equal? Well i think this is a disgrace, if christians tried this sh*t on or any other religion, the muslims would be crying out calling everyone Racist.
Segregating races is a really bad idea. Martin luther King must be spinning in his grave, cos wasnt it he that dreamt of a world where all races were equal? Well i think this is a disgrace, if christians tried this sh*t on or any other religion, the muslims would be crying out calling everyone Racist.
Posted by: Doh on 10:56am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Danny[/bold] wrote:
Segregating races is a really bad idea. Martin luther King must be spinning in his grave, cos wasnt it he that dreamt of a world where all races were equal? Well i think this is a disgrace, if christians tried this sh*t on or any other religion, the muslims would be crying out calling everyone Racist.[/quote] there are christian schools and jewish schools ya numpty
Danny wrote:
Segregating races is a really bad idea. Martin luther King must be spinning in his grave, cos wasnt it he that dreamt of a world where all races were equal? Well i think this is a disgrace, if christians tried this sh*t on or any other religion, the muslims would be crying out calling everyone Racist.
there are christian schools and jewish schools ya numpty
Posted by: Keith, Blackburn on 10:57am Fri 9 May 08
Its just another breeding ground for terrorists, there have been several high profile terrorists during the past few years, who have supposedly studied at the mosques in bburn, complete rubbish, this is a very bad move for Nelson, trust me, we have seen the problem grow steadily over the years in bburn, to a point now of no return.
Best of luck Nelson, you will need it !!
Its just another breeding ground for terrorists, there have been several high profile terrorists during the past few years, who have supposedly studied at the mosques in bburn, complete rubbish, this is a very bad move for Nelson, trust me, we have seen the problem grow steadily over the years in bburn, to a point now of no return.
Best of luck Nelson, you will need it !!
Posted by: danny, Church on 11:23am Fri 9 May 08
Yeah...fair enough there are Christian Schools.
But the Christian school that my son goes to has muslims, Jewish and other races. Muslim school means exactly that...nobody BUT muslims. ( And i cant speak for Jewish schools cos i dont know the ins and outs of it. ) Bottom line is there shouldnt be Jewish, Christian, Muslim or any other school like it.
Yeah...fair enough there are Christian Schools.
But the Christian school that my son goes to has muslims, Jewish and other races. Muslim school means exactly that...nobody BUT muslims. ( And i cant speak for Jewish schools cos i dont know the ins and outs of it. ) Bottom line is there shouldnt be Jewish, Christian, Muslim or any other school like it.
Posted by: sunni muslim, nelson on 11:53am Fri 9 May 08
i am sick of these wahbi,wearing 3 quarters bloody jokes more like it.. why dont their sell the q7 & bmw to make £50,000.whats wrong with schools now? not good enough for kids..may allah punish you jokes on the day of judgment ameen from a 100% sunni long live ghousia jamia masjid and hafiz amin (r.i.p) the true legend of nelson.
i am sick of these wahbi,wearing 3 quarters bloody jokes more like it.. why dont their sell the q7 & bmw to make £50,000.whats wrong with schools now? not good enough for kids..may allah punish you jokes on the day of judgment ameen from a 100% sunni long live ghousia jamia masjid and hafiz amin (r.i.p) the true legend of nelson.
Posted by: danny, Church on 12:07pm Fri 9 May 08
Sorry didnt catch a word of what you just said...
Didnt they teach you english before you came to this country?
Sorry didnt catch a word of what you just said...
Didnt they teach you english before you came to this country?
Posted by: Nelsonian on 12:19pm Fri 9 May 08
FAO: Danny
Mate you just hit the nail on the head. Most of the so called muslims who will appear here are the illiterate ones, still stuck in their village mentality. Strange thing is they are not representative of the majority of the muslims in Pendle, they are just parasites of indifference. Am sure this Sunni bloke is still taking ESOL classes. By the way the guy who is leading on this school in all likelihood does have pretty extreme views, but hey were a haven for all in Pendle!!!!
FAO: Danny
Mate you just hit the nail on the head. Most of the so called muslims who will appear here are the illiterate ones, still stuck in their village mentality. Strange thing is they are not representative of the majority of the muslims in Pendle, they are just parasites of indifference. Am sure this Sunni bloke is still taking ESOL classes. By the way the guy who is leading on this school in all likelihood does have pretty extreme views, but hey were a haven for all in Pendle!!!!
Posted by: Davy Boy, Burnley on 12:20pm Fri 9 May 08
When the politicians decided that Britain should be multicultural, why didn't they ask us [italic]Britons[/italic] before hand? Should you read this Mr Gordon Brown, it is still not too late to pose the question.
When the politicians decided that Britain should be multicultural, why didn't they ask us
Britons before hand? Should you read this Mr Gordon Brown, it is still not too late to pose the question.
Posted by: Right Reverend Wright, Burnley on 1:02pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]atheist[/bold] wrote:
Right Reverand Wright, just give me one scientific, testable proof that there is a god. You can't, and don't reply with the pathetic "it says in the bible". The bible and all religious texts were written by men who are notorious liars and charlatons. Think for yourself for once in your life.[/quote] http://www.thedailym
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Have faith and you will be healed oh troubled one.
atheist wrote:
Right Reverand Wright, just give me one scientific, testable proof that there is a god. You can't, and don't reply with the pathetic "it says in the bible". The bible and all religious texts were written by men who are notorious liars and charlatons. Think for yourself for once in your life.
http://www.thedailym
ash.co.uk/news/celeb
rity/atheists-are-ni
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Have faith and you will be healed oh troubled one.
Posted by: Proud To Be British (Temporarily), Formerly Proud Polish on 1:06pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Davy Boy[/bold] wrote:
When the politicians decided that Britain should be multicultural, why didn't they ask us [italic]Britons[/italic] before hand? Should you read this Mr Gordon Brown, it is still not too late to pose the question.[/quote] You (not me) Britons wern't working hard enough so the politicians made the decision for you.
I think you'l find the majority of you Britons voted for the Labouring party to make these decisionals.
and a good thing too.
Davy Boy wrote:
When the politicians decided that Britain should be multicultural, why didn't they ask us Britons before hand? Should you read this Mr Gordon Brown, it is still not too late to pose the question.
You (not me) Britons wern't working hard enough so the politicians made the decision for you.
I think you'l find the majority of you Britons voted for the Labouring party to make these decisionals.
and a good thing too.
Posted by: Jill, Burnley on 1:20pm Fri 9 May 08
Pathetic!
Posted by: Dave, Darwen on 2:40pm Fri 9 May 08
Can anyone who has attended or teaches at an Islamic school tell me if they teach the curriculum subjects such as, British history, British culture which is very wide and varied, and also has many other differences between England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales included in our British culture. Do they teach about other religions and non faith understanding and respect? What about freedoms to say, think, dress and expression of individualism, and freedom of rights of sexuality, gender, age, colour, faith, opinion to be valued. Please can anyone in authority tell me and other readers if this is part of an ongoing curriculum of Islamic schools in the UK? Or is it just hopeful idea on my part?
Can anyone who has attended or teaches at an Islamic school tell me if they teach the curriculum subjects such as, British history, British culture which is very wide and varied, and also has many other differences between England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales included in our British culture. Do they teach about other religions and non faith understanding and respect? What about freedoms to say, think, dress and expression of individualism, and freedom of rights of sexuality, gender, age, colour, faith, opinion to be valued. Please can anyone in authority tell me and other readers if this is part of an ongoing curriculum of Islamic schools in the UK? Or is it just hopeful idea on my part?
Posted by: Davy Boy, Burnley on 3:09pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Proud To Be British (Temporarily)[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Davy Boy[/bold] wrote: When the politicians decided that Britain should be multicultural, why didn\'t they ask us [italic]Britons[/italic] before hand? Should you read this Mr Gordon Brown, it is still not too late to pose the question.[/quote] You (not me) Britons wern\'t working hard enough so the politicians made the decision for you. I think you\'l find the majority of you Britons voted for the Labouring party to make these decisionals. and a good thing too.[/quote] Were not working hard enough? Would that be for economic growth and the old saga about people living longer? Something about pension funds won't be available without immigration. It sounds a fantastic idea in the short term, but what will we do when this argument has been played ten times over and there is not a single piece of grass land left to walk on? What use is economic growth when I can't afford a house to live in - is this not one of the most basic of needs? What use is economic growth when the police are too stretched to do their job and the jails are too full to handle the criminals? Finally, what use is economic growth to those who were on the tube the day the four bombers struck?
Proud To Be British (Temporarily) wrote:
Davy Boy wrote: When the politicians decided that Britain should be multicultural, why didn\'t they ask us Britons before hand? Should you read this Mr Gordon Brown, it is still not too late to pose the question.
You (not me) Britons wern\'t working hard enough so the politicians made the decision for you. I think you\'l find the majority of you Britons voted for the Labouring party to make these decisionals. and a good thing too.
Were not working hard enough? Would that be for economic growth and the old saga about people living longer? Something about pension funds won't be available without immigration. It sounds a fantastic idea in the short term, but what will we do when this argument has been played ten times over and there is not a single piece of grass land left to walk on? What use is economic growth when I can't afford a house to live in - is this not one of the most basic of needs? What use is economic growth when the police are too stretched to do their job and the jails are too full to handle the criminals? Finally, what use is economic growth to those who were on the tube the day the four bombers struck?
Posted by: mysti on 3:41pm Fri 9 May 08
athiest - if u dont believe in a god then what, how and why where you created? im sure you can not answer that because you have the wrong ideologies, sometimes things happen to people that make them realise there is a god but on the other hand you'll get people who dont believe in god when something goes wrong in thier life, and they question the fact that why is god doing this to us, well heres the answer god is merciful and forgiving and he does this to test our faith and our belief in him. if you be paitent with him and constantly pray to him and thank him for everything he has given you and blessed you with - family, friend, wealth health etc. you will be rewarded in the nexr life . inshallah. have faith.
athiest - if u dont believe in a god then what, how and why where you created? im sure you can not answer that because you have the wrong ideologies, sometimes things happen to people that make them realise there is a god but on the other hand you'll get people who dont believe in god when something goes wrong in thier life, and they question the fact that why is god doing this to us, well heres the answer god is merciful and forgiving and he does this to test our faith and our belief in him. if you be paitent with him and constantly pray to him and thank him for everything he has given you and blessed you with - family, friend, wealth health etc. you will be rewarded in the nexr life . inshallah. have faith.
Posted by: YAZZA, BB1 on 3:58pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Burnley Taxpayer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]atheist[/bold] wrote:
There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no
jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the
national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of
religion the better![/quote] Surely the experience of faith-based,
segregated schools in Northern Ireland tells us that this is a really
bad idea. Schools should be places where we meet all cultures, not
seperate them.[/quote] SO HOW COME IS IT THAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THE COUNCIL DOING ONE EVENT RATHER THAN THE ARTS IN THE PARK AND MELA?? JUST A THOUGHT!!
Burnley Taxpayer wrote:
atheist wrote:
There should be no islamic schools. Likewise, no christian schools, no
jewish schools etc. There should just be schools that teach the
national curriculum. The sooner we rid this world of the filth of
religion the better!
Surely the experience of faith-based,
segregated schools in Northern Ireland tells us that this is a really
bad idea. Schools should be places where we meet all cultures, not
seperate them.
SO HOW COME IS IT THAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THE COUNCIL DOING ONE EVENT RATHER THAN THE ARTS IN THE PARK AND MELA?? JUST A THOUGHT!!
Posted by: atheist on 5:43pm Fri 9 May 08
Mysti, no I don't believe in god and I certainly was not created. I am the result of 2 million years of evolution and genetic mutation. There is and has never been a god in the equation. Thousands of years ago, gods were invented to explain phenomena like the sun,moon, stars etc, and it is in the interests of powerful people to carry on this myth to subjugate the people into putting up with crap on this earth in the hope they'll get better treated in an afterlife. Sadly for believers, it's not going to happen, so I say, don't waste the only life you have on a fantasy just to please the oppressors.
Mysti, no I don't believe in god and I certainly was not created. I am the result of 2 million years of evolution and genetic mutation. There is and has never been a god in the equation. Thousands of years ago, gods were invented to explain phenomena like the sun,moon, stars etc, and it is in the interests of powerful people to carry on this myth to subjugate the people into putting up with crap on this earth in the hope they'll get better treated in an afterlife. Sadly for believers, it's not going to happen, so I say, don't waste the only life you have on a fantasy just to please the oppressors.
Posted by: mohammed, london on 5:47pm Fri 9 May 08
There are dozens of Christian schools in Pakistan and Pakistanis dont complain. Maybe they are just more tolerant people than your average white person. There are hundreds of churches in Pakistan but Pakistanis don't complain or protest about them. Christians drop bombs all over the muslim world and have colonised us for hundreds of years yet Christians by and large are safe in Pakistan. Maybe, even though we are poor and destitute, we have a better understanding of what tolerance is than the average white Christian.
Similarly, I have been all over the muslim world and you will find Churches and christian schools in most of these countries along with tragic memories of white western christian oppression, rape, looting and plunder.
Maybe Muslims are just tolerant. Had the Muslim world done to you what you have done and are doing to us you would put Muslims in gas chambers. Yet Christians live just as well or just as badly as their compatriots wherever they may be.
And why is it you only remember Christianity when a mosque goes up? Otherwise Britain is the most un-Christian country there probably is!
Hypocrites.
There are dozens of Christian schools in Pakistan and Pakistanis dont complain. Maybe they are just more tolerant people than your average white person. There are hundreds of churches in Pakistan but Pakistanis don't complain or protest about them. Christians drop bombs all over the muslim world and have colonised us for hundreds of years yet Christians by and large are safe in Pakistan. Maybe, even though we are poor and destitute, we have a better understanding of what tolerance is than the average white Christian.
Similarly, I have been all over the muslim world and you will find Churches and christian schools in most of these countries along with tragic memories of white western christian oppression, rape, looting and plunder.
Maybe Muslims are just tolerant. Had the Muslim world done to you what you have done and are doing to us you would put Muslims in gas chambers. Yet Christians live just as well or just as badly as their compatriots wherever they may be.
And why is it you only remember Christianity when a mosque goes up? Otherwise Britain is the most un-Christian country there probably is!
Hypocrites.
Posted by: Keith, Blackburn on 6:11pm Fri 9 May 08
I think you will find Mohammed, and im certain you know that there is not ONE non Muslim place of worship in the whole of Saudi, and being caught practicing a non muslim religion in Saudi, carries very serious consequences.....
I think you will find Mohammed, and im certain you know that there is not ONE non Muslim place of worship in the whole of Saudi, and being caught practicing a non muslim religion in Saudi, carries very serious consequences.....
Posted by: tj, Blackburn on 8:49pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Keith[/bold] wrote:
I think you will find Mohammed, and im certain you know that there is not ONE non Muslim place of worship in the whole of Saudi, and being caught practicing a non muslim religion in Saudi, carries very serious consequences.....[/quote] Then why do hundreds of thousands of white Britons live and work in saudi???
and you'l find its the same with the Vatican in Italy
Keith wrote:
I think you will find Mohammed, and im certain you know that there is not ONE non Muslim place of worship in the whole of Saudi, and being caught practicing a non muslim religion in Saudi, carries very serious consequences.....
Then why do hundreds of thousands of white Britons live and work in saudi???
and you'l find its the same with the Vatican in Italy
Posted by: Keith, Blackburn on 9:48pm Fri 9 May 08
TJ, Having worked in Saudi on numerous occasions, you are correct, there are many white, britons who work there on term contracts, but in the whole of Saudi, there is not ONE non muslim place of worship, and the Vatican - Italy, not the same as there are hundreds of Muslim Mosques all over Italy - educate yourself prior to answering, commenting!!
TJ, Having worked in Saudi on numerous occasions, you are correct, there are many white, britons who work there on term contracts, but in the whole of Saudi, there is not ONE non muslim place of worship, and the Vatican - Italy, not the same as there are hundreds of Muslim Mosques all over Italy - educate yourself prior to answering, commenting!!
Posted by: katy, spain on 12:14am Sat 10 May 08
Well there is only one way forward move away, who uses the corner shop, who uses the taxis who buys from the nelson shops as there is not one decent fashion shop left let all these planned schools and places of worship be paid for by the tax payers who use them, you would see how much money was available then in the nelson area. There are plenty of places to live that are still equal but pendle isnt one, yes I am a britian in spain where i no i am living in someone elses country, but i was born and bred in pendle and before i left i was living in someone elses country
Well there is only one way forward move away, who uses the corner shop, who uses the taxis who buys from the nelson shops as there is not one decent fashion shop left let all these planned schools and places of worship be paid for by the tax payers who use them, you would see how much money was available then in the nelson area. There are plenty of places to live that are still equal but pendle isnt one, yes I am a britian in spain where i no i am living in someone elses country, but i was born and bred in pendle and before i left i was living in someone elses country
Posted by: Budgie, Christchurch, New Zealand on 8:02am Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]robbo[/bold] wrote:
WHATEVER NEXT ??? THE COUNTRY HAS GONE TO THE DOGS.[/quote] I cannot agree more with you Robbo, I left my beloved town and soccer team over five years ago.
Why ? After working in Malaysia and Egypt, Islamic countries where you obey Islamic Law.
The U.K. is a christian country bending over backwards to Islam.
U.K. you have gone to the dogs.
robbo wrote:
WHATEVER NEXT ??? THE COUNTRY HAS GONE TO THE DOGS.
I cannot agree more with you Robbo, I left my beloved town and soccer team over five years ago.
Why ? After working in Malaysia and Egypt, Islamic countries where you obey Islamic Law.
The U.K. is a christian country bending over backwards to Islam.
U.K. you have gone to the dogs.
Posted by: jacky bagtoy, burnley on 12:05pm Sat 10 May 08
no one want them..no one likes them..no ones b8LLS TO SAY ANYTHING...
no one want them..no one likes them..no ones b8LLS TO SAY ANYTHING...
Posted by: Salma on 12:20pm Sat 10 May 08
[bold]I LOVE BRITAIN......
ISLAMIC SCHOOLS ARE GREAT!!![/bold]
I LOVE BRITAIN......
ISLAMIC SCHOOLS ARE GREAT!!! Posted by: TRUTH BE TOLD, Blackburn on 1:33pm Sat 10 May 08
Islamic schools are a great way of teaching kids good morals and respect to the seniors of this world regardless of race or religion.Then later becomimg British Tax payers themselves.READ THE QURAN chapter 22 verse 3 called surah MULK.It says WHO MADE SEVEN HEAVENS ONE UPON THE OTHER.WHAT DIFFRENCE DO YOU SEE IN THE MAKING OF THE MOST AFFECTIONATE?THEN LOOK AGAIN CAREFULLY,DO YOU SEE ANY CRACK.THEN LOOK AGAIN AND AGAIN THE SIGHT WILL RETURN BACK TO YOU DEFEATED AND FATIGUED.Now to all you non believers and atheists what has science proven to us in the past 20 or so years is there are SEVEN LAYERS ABOVE THE EARTHS SURFACE.ALLAH THE ALL MIGHTY REVEALED THIS GLORIOUS QURAN 1400 YEARS AGO AND HAS GUARANTEED THE ORIGNAL WORDS WOULD NEVER BE CHANGED.UNLIKE THE BLESSED BIBLE AND THE TORAH WHOM MAN HAS CHANGED TO SUIT HIS OWN DESIRES.PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE WITH YOU ALL AMEEN!
Islamic schools are a great way of teaching kids good morals and respect to the seniors of this world regardless of race or religion.Then later becomimg British Tax payers themselves.READ THE QURAN chapter 22 verse 3 called surah MULK.It says WHO MADE SEVEN HEAVENS ONE UPON THE OTHER.WHAT DIFFRENCE DO YOU SEE IN THE MAKING OF THE MOST AFFECTIONATE?THEN LOOK AGAIN CAREFULLY,DO YOU SEE ANY CRACK.THEN LOOK AGAIN AND AGAIN THE SIGHT WILL RETURN BACK TO YOU DEFEATED AND FATIGUED.Now to all you non believers and atheists what has science proven to us in the past 20 or so years is there are SEVEN LAYERS ABOVE THE EARTHS SURFACE.ALLAH THE ALL MIGHTY REVEALED THIS GLORIOUS QURAN 1400 YEARS AGO AND HAS GUARANTEED THE ORIGNAL WORDS WOULD NEVER BE CHANGED.UNLIKE THE BLESSED BIBLE AND THE TORAH WHOM MAN HAS CHANGED TO SUIT HIS OWN DESIRES.PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE WITH YOU ALL AMEEN!
Posted by: WayneKerr on 2:37pm Sat 10 May 08
It's all Nelson deserves!
Get out now why you still can. That's my advice.
It's all Nelson deserves!
Get out now why you still can. That's my advice.
Posted by: happy happy happy!!, nelson on 2:46pm Sat 10 May 08
get a grip and stop the racist, islamaphobia bashing. seriously get a life of ur own. get a grip and get off the misery pill. i spread reality checks and sanity before u miserable ppl work urself up into an early grave through all ur venom!!!!!!
get a grip and stop the racist, islamaphobia bashing. seriously get a life of ur own. get a grip and get off the misery pill. i spread reality checks and sanity before u miserable ppl work urself up into an early grave through all ur venom!!!!!!
Posted by: nelsoner, Nelson on 5:50pm Sat 10 May 08
here here happy happy happy, i couldnt agree with you more!
here here happy happy happy, i couldnt agree with you more!
Posted by: nelson_muslim, Nelson on 7:01pm Sat 10 May 08
I can't believe nobody has pointed out that this nursery is going to be run by scummy wahaabis! a.k.a. Salafi's! Why is nobody from the muslim community speaking out against these saudi funded scum. These are a venomous movement that nned to be kept on a leash.
It's stupid projects like these that serve to divide our communities, on one hand we're suppoed to be all happy clappy and try to integrate on the other we are trying to open nurseries exclusively for muslims. Double standards at best!
I can't believe nobody has pointed out that this nursery is going to be run by scummy wahaabis! a.k.a. Salafi's! Why is nobody from the muslim community speaking out against these saudi funded scum. These are a venomous movement that nned to be kept on a leash.
It's stupid projects like these that serve to divide our communities, on one hand we're suppoed to be all happy clappy and try to integrate on the other we are trying to open nurseries exclusively for muslims. Double standards at best!
Posted by: Iftikhar, Forest Gate London on 12:25pm Sun 11 May 08
Salaam
Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less
bilingual schools.
Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the
National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve
humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand
the
Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community
languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty
of
their literature and poetry.
Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a
problem.
A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to
become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours from
London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.
More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school
system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60
years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the
Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of British
Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the
least
likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated
500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in the
state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are
underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.
Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for
a
non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher
education
is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others.
You better concentrate on native children for their proper education. Let
Muslim community educate its own children so that they can develop their
own
Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities and become usefull members of
the British society rather than becoming a buden.
We are living in an English speaking country and English is an
international
language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well versed in
standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu and
other community
languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?
Salaam
Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less
bilingual schools.
Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the
National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve
humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand
the
Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community
languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty
of
their literature and poetry.
Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a
problem.
A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to
become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours from
London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.
More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school
system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60
years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the
Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of British
Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the
least
likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated
500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in the
state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are
underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.
Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for
a
non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher
education
is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others.
You better concentrate on native children for their proper education. Let
Muslim community educate its own children so that they can develop their
own
Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities and become usefull members of
the British society rather than becoming a buden.
We are living in an English speaking country and English is an
international
language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well versed in
standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu and
other community
languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?
Posted by: F, BURNLEY on 10:21am Mon 12 May 08
I CANT REPLY TO ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS BUT WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY WHY IS IT WHEN MUSLIMS DO SOMETHING YOU ALLWAYS MAKE A FUSS,NO ONE MAKES A FUSS WHEN THE JEWS OPEN THEIR SCHOOLS,IS IT BECAUSE THEY CONTROL EVERTHING IN THIS COUNRTY AND THE WORLD,EVEN THE MEDIA THATS WHY PEOPLE ONLY JUDGE MUSLIMS ON WHAT THEY HEAR IN THE MEDIA,AND IF THE MUSLIM PEOPLE WANT A MUSLIM SCHOOL FOR THEIR KIDS ITS THEIR CHOICE,EVEN THOUGH I WOULD PREFER TO SEE ISLAM TOUGHT IN MAINSTREEM SCHOOLS AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOSE WHAT SUBJECT THEY WANT TO STUDY.
I CANT REPLY TO ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS BUT WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY WHY IS IT WHEN MUSLIMS DO SOMETHING YOU ALLWAYS MAKE A FUSS,NO ONE MAKES A FUSS WHEN THE JEWS OPEN THEIR SCHOOLS,IS IT BECAUSE THEY CONTROL EVERTHING IN THIS COUNRTY AND THE WORLD,EVEN THE MEDIA THATS WHY PEOPLE ONLY JUDGE MUSLIMS ON WHAT THEY HEAR IN THE MEDIA,AND IF THE MUSLIM PEOPLE WANT A MUSLIM SCHOOL FOR THEIR KIDS ITS THEIR CHOICE,EVEN THOUGH I WOULD PREFER TO SEE ISLAM TOUGHT IN MAINSTREEM SCHOOLS AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOSE WHAT SUBJECT THEY WANT TO STUDY.
Posted by: Burnley Taxpayer, Burnley on 11:36am Mon 12 May 08
[quote][bold]stooball66[/bold] wrote:
Join the club Blackburns had them for years we also have the largest Asian community outside of Pakistan dont let it worry you we will all be chocolate covered in another 100 yrs[/quote] Screwball 66, sorry I mean Stooball66, you really need to go back to your psychiatrist and get her to increase your medication.
stooball66 wrote:
Join the club Blackburns had them for years we also have the largest Asian community outside of Pakistan dont let it worry you we will all be chocolate covered in another 100 yrs
Screwball 66, sorry I mean Stooball66, you really need to go back to your psychiatrist and get her to increase your medication.
Posted by: Burnley Taxpayer, Burnley on 11:42am Mon 12 May 08
[quote][bold]sunni muslim[/bold] wrote:
i am sick of these wahbi,wearing 3 quarters bloody jokes more like it.. why dont their sell the q7 & bmw to make £50,000.whats wrong with schools now? not good enough for kids..may allah punish you jokes on the day of judgment ameen from a 100% sunni long live ghousia jamia masjid and hafiz amin (r.i.p) the true legend of nelson.[/quote] You do your community a massive disservice by posting such illiterate, incomprehensible rants. Post in proper English you fool.
sunni muslim wrote:
i am sick of these wahbi,wearing 3 quarters bloody jokes more like it.. why dont their sell the q7 & bmw to make £50,000.whats wrong with schools now? not good enough for kids..may allah punish you jokes on the day of judgment ameen from a 100% sunni long live ghousia jamia masjid and hafiz amin (r.i.p) the true legend of nelson.
You do your community a massive disservice by posting such illiterate, incomprehensible rants. Post in proper English you fool.
Posted by: Burnley Taxpayer, Burnley on 11:49am Mon 12 May 08
[quote][bold]Davy Boy[/bold] wrote:
When the politicians decided that Britain should be multicultural, why didn't they ask us [italic]Britons[/italic] before hand? Should you read this Mr Gordon Brown, it is still not too late to pose the question.[/quote] What exactly do you mean by Britons. Britons as in the original Celtic peoples of these islands, or those who are citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Or do you just mean white English folk, like theloons in the England First Party (a.k.a. the Steve Smith fan club)
Davy Boy wrote:
When the politicians decided that Britain should be multicultural, why didn't they ask us Britons before hand? Should you read this Mr Gordon Brown, it is still not too late to pose the question.
What exactly do you mean by Britons. Britons as in the original Celtic peoples of these islands, or those who are citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Or do you just mean white English folk, like theloons in the England First Party (a.k.a. the Steve Smith fan club)
Posted by: Big, Nelson on 11:49am Mon 12 May 08
Haha Burnley Taxpayer you just smashed it with that comment. What a fool if he was such a good muslim in the first place he shouldnt be bad mouthing like that! Snidey little idiot. Some people just love showing themselves up!
Haha Burnley Taxpayer you just smashed it with that comment. What a fool if he was such a good muslim in the first place he shouldnt be bad mouthing like that! Snidey little idiot. Some people just love showing themselves up!
Posted by: TC, burnley on 10:36pm Mon 12 May 08
backwards them muslims...ban the religion its dracoianian
backwards them muslims...ban the religion its dracoianian
Posted by: Nelsoner, Nelson on 8:30am today
TC from Burnley first learn how to spell draconian then come on here with your foolish narrow minded posts. If its so backwards and draconian why is it that there are hundreds of white americans and brits converting to the religion on a daily basis literally.
Also I thought we lived in GB a democracy where freedom of thought/speech/expre
ssion existed or does that only apply when it suits you!!
You bunch of sad pathetic miserable narrowminded imbeciles..get a life and stop complaining about others all the time...why not do something about your own lives then maybe you wouldnt despise others!
TC from Burnley first learn how to spell draconian then come on here with your foolish narrow minded posts. If its so backwards and draconian why is it that there are hundreds of white americans and brits converting to the religion on a daily basis literally.
Also I thought we lived in GB a democracy where freedom of thought/speech/expre
ssion existed or does that only apply when it suits you!!
You bunch of sad pathetic miserable narrowminded imbeciles..get a life and stop complaining about others all the time...why not do something about your own lives then maybe you wouldnt despise others!
Posted by: Keith, Blackburn on 10:27am today
NELSONER, You moron.
If being taught in an Islamic school, speaking urdu, punjabi etc is so important to you, why dont you go and live in Pakistan, Saudi etc. Why? Because the countries are the pits of the earth, your own people are suppressed, women beaten, young girls not allowed an education, yet you want to walk into Britain and claim every god given right, money, housing, education, but still constantly slag off the British, and our core values and principles. If you dont like it, leave.....
NELSONER, You moron.
If being taught in an Islamic school, speaking urdu, punjabi etc is so important to you, why dont you go and live in Pakistan, Saudi etc. Why? Because the countries are the pits of the earth, your own people are suppressed, women beaten, young girls not allowed an education, yet you want to walk into Britain and claim every god given right, money, housing, education, but still constantly slag off the British, and our core values and principles. If you dont like it, leave.....
Posted by: Doh on 11:18am today
Kieth ur the moron. get ur facts straight about women being oppressed etc. if islam was so oppressive why are more white women converting than men to islam?. if someone wants to learn Urdu Punjabi they have every right to in this country. no one needs ur permission! if you dont like it leave.....
Kieth ur the moron. get ur facts straight about women being oppressed etc. if islam was so oppressive why are more white women converting than men to islam?. if someone wants to learn Urdu Punjabi they have every right to in this country. no one needs ur permission! if you dont like it leave.....
Posted by: Nelsoner, Nelson on 12:15pm today
Keith thanks for the title moron, I love it when you guys get so wound up...now take a step back & read my previous post objectively without your emotion tarring your views.
I didnt once say I wanted to learn urdu/punjabi etc in school & nor did I say I dislike the country etc. I was simply stating a fact..if we are a so-called democracy then how can TC argue for the religion to be banned? I thought this country was based on the ethos of a free country as long as the law is not broken???
I do not try to claim all & sundry benefits & rights from this country as you have alleged but rather understand that with rights comes responsibilities and that as a GB citizen I have a duty to obey the law.
I am Muslim, British & of Pakistani origin...I have studied in mainstream education throughout & have absolutely no problem with it..but if others choose to go to a faith school that is their choice....Personally I think it doesnt help the current situation we have in this country with the polarisation between the muslims & non-muslims but if they wish to go there then that is up to them, it's not for me & you to decide...
Now as for you saying why dont we go back to "our" country...this is my country, I was born & bred here, I work here & pay my taxes here..I could turn around & ask why dont your oppresive regimes stop oppressing the people of the middle east as in Iraq but why dont I?? Becuase I understand it is the GB govt who is doing this not the nation itself..please educate yourself..you really do embarass yourself and your community..if you want a debate which is open, honest & constructive then I openly invite any of you on here to do so...this is not a threat or challenge but rather I really do think there are a lot of misconceptions that need clearing up...perhaps if you stopped reading the Sun and started reading the Independent a little bit more you may find that it is you who is the moron my friend not me PEACE OUT!
Keith thanks for the title moron, I love it when you guys get so wound up...now take a step back & read my previous post objectively without your emotion tarring your views.
I didnt once say I wanted to learn urdu/punjabi etc in school & nor did I say I dislike the country etc. I was simply stating a fact..if we are a so-called democracy then how can TC argue for the religion to be banned? I thought this country was based on the ethos of a free country as long as the law is not broken???
I do not try to claim all & sundry benefits & rights from this country as you have alleged but rather understand that with rights comes responsibilities and that as a GB citizen I have a duty to obey the law.
I am Muslim, British & of Pakistani origin...I have studied in mainstream education throughout & have absolutely no problem with it..but if others choose to go to a faith school that is their choice....Personally I think it doesnt help the current situation we have in this country with the polarisation between the muslims & non-muslims but if they wish to go there then that is up to them, it's not for me & you to decide...
Now as for you saying why dont we go back to "our" country...this is my country, I was born & bred here, I work here & pay my taxes here..I could turn around & ask why dont your oppresive regimes stop oppressing the people of the middle east as in Iraq but why dont I?? Becuase I understand it is the GB govt who is doing this not the nation itself..please educate yourself..you really do embarass yourself and your community..if you want a debate which is open, honest & constructive then I openly invite any of you on here to do so...this is not a threat or challenge but rather I really do think there are a lot of misconceptions that need clearing up...perhaps if you stopped reading the Sun and started reading the Independent a little bit more you may find that it is you who is the moron my friend not me PEACE OUT!
Posted by: Keith, Blackburn on 1:38pm today
Doh, Its spelt Keith!!
If anyone wants to learn a language, or faith, fine, but dont expect the british taxpayer to fund it for you.
Women in Islam are seriously oppressed, and for you to deny this shows your limited intelligence, or refusal to accept brutal fact.
Nelsoner, Britain has always had the stream of schools, from comprehensive to church schools, as we are a christian country. Islamic only schools only continue to carve a massive divide between faiths. At every church school in britain, there are muslim children, who are educated mainstream, and continue to learn your faith at home, mosque etc. By creating Islam only schools, you just create more of a divide, and find more and more that you (Muslims) are the worst kind of racists anyone could ever meet, which again, is part caused by the narrow minded views of people like you, and DOH, and the fact that you continue to want this divide, whereby Muslim kids are being taught away from the western values, and being prevented from mixing daily with british kids in normal mainstream schools.
You may have been born here, and indeed may work and pay taxes, so why then dont you promote the British way of life, instead of trying to create a kind of Islamic domination in Britain.
On the subject of Iraq, even though i made no ref to this, it is not just the British goverment trying to assist the Iraqi goverment in sorting out the daily murders, and brutality that one section of Muslims inflict on another, or would you prefer that the International goverment's pull out to let the innocent Muslims get butchered and massacred everyday.
Educate yourself Nelsoner, get your single minded head out of the sand !!!!!
Doh, Its spelt Keith!!
If anyone wants to learn a language, or faith, fine, but dont expect the british taxpayer to fund it for you.
Women in Islam are seriously oppressed, and for you to deny this shows your limited intelligence, or refusal to accept brutal fact.
Nelsoner, Britain has always had the stream of schools, from comprehensive to church schools, as we are a christian country. Islamic only schools only continue to carve a massive divide between faiths. At every church school in britain, there are muslim children, who are educated mainstream, and continue to learn your faith at home, mosque etc. By creating Islam only schools, you just create more of a divide, and find more and more that you (Muslims) are the worst kind of racists anyone could ever meet, which again, is part caused by the narrow minded views of people like you, and DOH, and the fact that you continue to want this divide, whereby Muslim kids are being taught away from the western values, and being prevented from mixing daily with british kids in normal mainstream schools.
You may have been born here, and indeed may work and pay taxes, so why then dont you promote the British way of life, instead of trying to create a kind of Islamic domination in Britain.
On the subject of Iraq, even though i made no ref to this, it is not just the British goverment trying to assist the Iraqi goverment in sorting out the daily murders, and brutality that one section of Muslims inflict on another, or would you prefer that the International goverment's pull out to let the innocent Muslims get butchered and massacred everyday.
Educate yourself Nelsoner, get your single minded head out of the sand !!!!!
Posted by: Nelsoner, Nelson on 2:12pm today
You really do seem to miss the point in my post Keith, I dont advocate the opening of faith schools, any faith schools..In fact I have said that I dont think its a good idea given the polarisation that currently exists...the reason for my post is to basically say it is individual choice though...just becuase I or you may think it is a bad idea doesnt mean it should be banned.
As for the GB taxpayer funding it, this is ABSOLUTE NONESENSE...the group who is trying to open it is relying on collections ie self funding not through tax payers money.
If I was narrow minded Keith I would be advocating the support of the school but I am not & I myself am a Muslim...that I would like to think should show that Im pretty broad minded.
In respect of the oppression that you talk about against women, go read an English translation of the Quran...it will clearly state that the women folk have rights...in fact it is a muslim belief that the fruits of paradise rest on the soles of a mother's feet ie treat your mothers right and you will be rewarded...you want to talk about oppression...go to the courts around your area and just check how many white non muslim men are being convicted of assualting their partners..
As for lack of education & muslim women..if this is the case why do we have schools teaching girls in the muslim world?? Dont look at the taleban or the extreme saudi royal governing family as your examples...by the way the british establishment is in support of the sauds hence the SFO was not allowed to investigate the BAE fraud fiasco...look at normal govts across the lands...it is easy to do things in the name of any religion and the like but that doesnt mean that the religion actually advocates it..
In fact there is no point with people like you, you will never change your views.
You really do seem to miss the point in my post Keith, I dont advocate the opening of faith schools, any faith schools..In fact I have said that I dont think its a good idea given the polarisation that currently exists...the reason for my post is to basically say it is individual choice though...just becuase I or you may think it is a bad idea doesnt mean it should be banned.
As for the GB taxpayer funding it, this is ABSOLUTE NONESENSE...the group who is trying to open it is relying on collections ie self funding not through tax payers money.
If I was narrow minded Keith I would be advocating the support of the school but I am not & I myself am a Muslim...that I would like to think should show that Im pretty broad minded.
In respect of the oppression that you talk about against women, go read an English translation of the Quran...it will clearly state that the women folk have rights...in fact it is a muslim belief that the fruits of paradise rest on the soles of a mother's feet ie treat your mothers right and you will be rewarded...you want to talk about oppression...go to the courts around your area and just check how many white non muslim men are being convicted of assualting their partners..
As for lack of education & muslim women..if this is the case why do we have schools teaching girls in the muslim world?? Dont look at the taleban or the extreme saudi royal governing family as your examples...by the way the british establishment is in support of the sauds hence the SFO was not allowed to investigate the BAE fraud fiasco...look at normal govts across the lands...it is easy to do things in the name of any religion and the like but that doesnt mean that the religion actually advocates it..
In fact there is no point with people like you, you will never change your views.
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